"Ammunition incident" in Millbury schools

[SSShooter]

"To me that’s just not sound judgement, an individual not thinking clearly or have a strong concept of gun ownership or gun responsibility," said Desorcy.

Since the chief thinks it is irresponsible to carry ammunition, he should lead by example and not carry any or allow his officers to.

Dumbass

And this is why chiefs having discretion is utter bullshit.

 

[Nick Fury]

So it is not a crime to possess ammo on school grounds. The poor dumbass should have lawyered up right then and there instead of taking them to his home and incriminating himself with retardo storage laws that like we saw in the Braintree hospital incident are open to interpretation.

 

[babygorilla]

Should have never allowed them in his home without a warrant. Should have called a Lawyer specializing in firearm laws ASAP and Comm2A. There may be a good case for suitability laws here since no law was broken and there never was a threat, depending on this kids background.

 

[MaverickNH]

On Friday morning, students were greeted by an extra police presence, including a K-9 unit, as a precaution.

That at first seemed odd, but there is a strong Copy Cat effect that just might have led to somebody else doing something nefarious. The massive SWAT presence in hours after an incident is silly, but a few armed police visible for days after does have a purpose these days. Sending them home when the public forgets is the error.

The teacher was licensed to carry and his weapons were registered, but his license has now been revoked under the police chief's discretion. Police said they aren't identifying the man because he has not been criminally charged. He has, however, been fired from the district.

Lost job? Yes, an overreaction until local laws change. MA won’t change too soon. Revoked License without being criminally charged? That’s a pure violation of civil rights.

 

[Tinkermatic]

This is terrifying. This stigma associated with being a gun owner in MA is unbelievable. I guess tolerance only goes so far?

 

[308rifleman]

On Friday morning, students were greeted by an extra police presence, including a K-9 unit, as a precaution.

That at first seemed odd, but there is a strong Copy Cat effect that just might have led to somebody else doing something nefarious. The massive SWAT presence in hours after an incident is silly, but a few armed police visible for days after does have a purpose these days. Sending them home when the public forgets is the error.

The teacher was licensed to carry and his weapons were registered, but his license has now been revoked under the police chief's discretion. Police said they aren't identifying the man because he has not been criminally charged. He has, however, been fired from the district.

Lost job? Yes, an overreaction until local laws change. MA won’t change too soon. Revoked License without being criminally charged? That’s a pure violation of civil rights.

Cops have to convince the gullible sheeple that they are actually doing something to "protect" them. SWAT and K9 units at schools make great photo ops for this purpose.

 

[allen-1]

From Boston 25 news...

A substitute teacher was escorted off school property after police said he brought bullets to a Millbury preschool class.

Millbury Police said the 22-year-old man was subbing at Elmwood Street School on Thursday when nine millimeter bullets fell out of his pocket and onto the floor.

Another teacher saw it happen and immediately reported it to the principal's office.

According to officials, it is not illegal to bring ammunition on school grounds, but police said the man will face criminal chages for what they found at his home.

When police went to his house later that day, they discovered improperly secured guns -- a number of rifles, handguns and ammunition.

Millbury Police Chief, Donald Desorcy, said he's certain the teacher knew he was carrying ammunition when he walked into school on Thursday, even though the man claimed it was an accident.

"He explained to us that he had been out shooting the day before and apparently had these rounds, these magazines in his clothing, and apparently he wore the same clothing to school yesterday," Desorcy said.

The teacher was licensed to carry and his weapons were registered, but his license has now been revoked under the police chief's discretion.

"To me that’s just not sound judgement, an individual not thinking clearly or have a strong concept of gun ownership or gun responsibility," said Desorcy.

Police said they aren't identifying the man because he has not been criminally charged. He has, however, been fired from the district.

The teacher was licensed to carry and his weapons were registered, but his license has now been revoked under the police chief's discretion.

"To me that’s just not sound judgement, an individual not thinking clearly or have a strong concept of gun ownership or gun responsibility," said Desorcy.

And this is a prime example of just how obscene Mass laws are. ONE individual has determined that this person is unsuitable. FU.

 

[Peicemaker]

The amount of fail exhibited by ALL parties involved in this is mind boggling.

I think that the number one thing to be learned from this is keep your gun shit away from schools, and certainly dont bring any of it INTO one.

If you bring ammo to your job as a teacher, your a moron. If you let the cops into your house after getting fired for bringing ammo into a school, AND your guns aren't locked up, your retarded.

Should it be this way and does this state suck, and is that COP a douchebag, so on and do fourth... yeah. Of course, but reality is what is.

The guy went full retard. Never go full retard. He phucked himself. Hard.

 

[Racenet]

The amount of fail exhibited by ALL parties involved in this is mind boggling.

I think that the number one thing to be learned from this is keep your gun shit away from schools, and certainly dont bring any of it INTO one.

If you bring ammo to your job as a teacher, your a moron. If you let the cops into your house after getting fired for bringing ammo into a school, AND your guns aren't locked up, your retarded.

Should it be this way and does this state suck, and is that COP a douchebag, so on and do fourth... yeah. Of course, but reality is what is.

The guy went full retard. Never go full retard. He phucked himself. Hard.

^This......or how about the other teacher simply mind their own f***ing business.

 

[Peicemaker]

^This......or how about the other teacher simply mind their own f***ing business.

Well, Yeah, but if the ammo was not in his pocket.... This is teachers were talking about. Some of the most brainwashed, delsional shitlibs Ive ever had the displeasure of knowing have been teachers. Anyone working in the schoolag system whos not retarded would have realized this...

 

[308rifleman]

Did it look like this...

And go in one of these...?

Wouldn't really matter if it was a stud gun blank or a live 25mm API autocannon round. The kid and his parents would have their weenies toasted by the school's administration high command. Take it to court? Well, the judge is paid by the same suckers...oops! taxpayers...as the school superintendent and principals. Did somebody say "stack the deck"???

 

[Peicemaker]

Wouldn't really matter if it was a stud gun blank or a live 25mm API autocannon round. The kid and his parents would have their weenies toasted by the school's administration high command. Take it to court? Well, the judge is paid by the same suckers...oops! taxpayers...as the school superintendent and principals. Did somebody say "stack the deck"???

Exactly, also, you can make some mean improvised .22 rounds with those blanks and .22 airgun pellets.

 

[Nick Fury]

The amount of fail exhibited by ALL parties involved in this is mind boggling.

I think that the number one thing to be learned from this is keep your gun shit away from schools, and certainly dont bring any of it INTO one.

If you bring ammo to your job as a teacher, your a moron. If you let the cops into your house after getting fired for bringing ammo into a school, AND your guns aren't locked up, your retarded.

Should it be this way and does this state suck, and is that COP a douchebag, so on and do fourth... yeah. Of course, but reality is what is.

The guy went full retard. Never go full retard. He phucked himself. Hard.

Shitty state laws aside if you believe he should be a PP now due to this you are as bad as they are.

 

[Peicemaker]

Shitty state laws aside if you believe he should be a PP now due to this you are as bad as they are.

I do not believe that. I believe that no laws governing arms should exist at all. 2A is pretty clear on that.

I just acknowledged that reality is what it is, the legal structure is what it is (corrupt to the core and full of lefty activists) and the masses are what they are (stupid lefty sheep). None of it should be that way, but this is massachusetts. Everything is illegal in massachusetts, even if you paid for the right permits and broke no laws. They'll find something if your careless. The guy didn't get that and will pay the price.

 

[Picton]

Massprudence.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

The letter openers, pencils and scissors on the teachers desk could cause more damage than that piece of plastic. What a failed system.

 

[Nick Fury]

I do not believe that. I believe that no laws governing arms should exist at all. 2A is pretty clear on that.

I just acknowledged that reality is what it is, the legal structure is what it is (corrupt to the core and full of lefty activists) and the masses are what they are (stupid lefty sheep). None of it should be that way, but this is massachusetts. Everything is illegal in massachusetts, even if you paid for the right permits and broke no laws. They'll find something if your careless. The guy didn't get that and will pay the price.

I guess I see it as more of an unfortunate error gone amok but will agree letting police into home was a retarded move.

 

[Dennis in MA]

The teacher immediately notified administrators, who removed the man and called police.


The man confirmed to officers that he had ammunition with him in the classroom, police said.


He was escorted home by police and once there, officers found several rifles and shotguns, about half a dozen handguns, and several boxes of ammunition.
Police said, while he was properly licensed, he was charged and summonsed for improperly stored armed weapons. His license was also immediately suspended.


Parents learned about the incident through a phone call from Superintendent of Schools Greg Myers Thursday evening.


Myers confirmed to WBZ-TV that the man, who was working on a day-by-day contract was fired. He also said the incident appears to be an honest mistake: the man had been at the shooting range Wednesday and forgotten about the magazine in his jacket pocket.


On Friday morning, students were greeted by an extra police presence, including a K-9 unit, as a precaution.


So he fcked up, left a magazine in his pocket, dropped it at work, and the police use it as a "reason" to search his house. Where his firearms aren't "properly stored", so he's charged and his license is suspended.
Massachusetts SUCKS.

Let this be a lesson to all of you. Seriously. If you live in Mass, either keep your firearms locked up, or don't let the cops in without a warrant. This guy is screwed as far as I can tell. Because no matter how trivial the original "offense", and no matter what the school does, which seems like they're running around screaming "the sky is falling" - the police found him in violation of your obscene laws. He's going to be a federally prohibited person when this is done... All because he left a mag in his pocket, dropped it and some douchebag saw it and reported it at at his workplace - a school.

Keep in mind the only way you can carry in a MA school is WRITTEN permission from admin. Your church has a daycare? Might be uncluded in that provision. Insanity.

 

[ccm75]

Kids 22 years old....Screwed. Will be interesting to see what happens at clerks hearing.
So many questions and such a poorly written article.
And the COP may need brush up on MA gun laws....? "In MA only LEO's are allowed to have magazines that hold more than 10 rounds..."
Says kid has FID and LTC...?
How'd the police get in kids house? I bet he let them walk right in..

Millbury police seek to charge substitute teacher who brought ammunition to school

 

[citoriguy]

Kids 22 years old....Screwed. Will be interesting to see what happens at clerks hearing.
So many questions and such a poorly written article.
And the COP may need brush up on MA gun laws....? "In MA only LEO's are allowed to have magazines that hold more than 10 rounds..."
Says kid has FID and LTC...?
How'd the police get in kids house? I bet he let them walk right in..

Millbury police seek to charge substitute teacher who brought ammunition to school

The kid was probably caught off guard to begin with and was just trying to comply with police, thinking that refusal could’ve led to something worse. Cops do this all the time - talk nice, and finagle their way in, and before it, you’re up the creek, not only missing the paddle, but the boat has a hole in it too.

I wish there was a way to help him out. I’d gladly toss $20-$25 to him to help with his legal fees.

 

[Whutmeworry]

The kid was probably caught off guard to begin with and was just trying to comply with police, thinking that refusal could’ve led to something worse. Cops do this all the time - talk nice, and finagle their way in, and before it, you’re up the creek, not only missing the paddle, it the boat has a hole in it too.

I wish there was a way to help him out. I’d gladly toss $20-$25 to him to help with his legal fees.

Actually, IANAL but it seems to me that depending on whether this kid has ever been in legal trouble before and/or how his guns were stored in his home, he might just be a very strong candidate for working to get this shitty, blatantly unconstitutional MA safe storage law invalidated. Given strong legal representation as well of course.

Think about it. Leaving aside the whole "ammo in the classroom" situation The MA "safe storage" law essentially says you must store your firearms locked in a secure container or with trigger locks on them when they're not under your direct control. Totally vague and ambiguous. The article doesn't reveal how his firearms were stored except to say that they were on his own property.

I totally agree that it was a huge, naïve mistake for him to simply grant the police access into his house. To me this law is one of the most insidious, tyrannical laws in existence. The idea that our government can walk into OUR homes and tell US how to store OUR OWN PROPERTY WITHOUT EVEN GIVING US A PROPER DEFINITION OF THE WORD "STORAGE" OR THE PHRASE "UNDER YOUR DIRECT CONTROL" is the very definition of tyranny. We CANNOT continue to stand on the sidelines and allow this to continue to happen to our fellow gunowners.

 

[Whutmeworry]

Ok never mind. I hadn't read that second article that said he left a bunch of the guns loaded and completely unsecured, lying around his room.

This particular incident notwithstanding, sooner or later the right defendant will come along - someone who has a squeaky-clean record - who did everything possible right, but got bound up by the "safe storage" law by answering the phone in the next room while cleaning his guns. That person will need to be convinced that it is worthwhile to fight to restore his right to do wht he wants in his own house with his own property.

 

[CAR]

How the crazy other side sees this incident (and us on this board ) As they say, "that escalated quickly" from benefit-of-the-doubt-maybe-the-guy-really-forgot-the-ammo to these-internet-gun-people-are-about-to-snap.

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