9mm vs 45 acp .223/5.56 vs. ?????

[Mesatchornug]

I have the cmmg kit.
I plan to use it in my first AR with the echo sport.

Come on, you don't think companies make new cartridges just to make more money?
That's a little naive

If one's only thought in making a new product is to make money, they will quickly be relegated to the dustbin of history.

To make money, one must describe a market opening, and seek to fill it. For example: a higher energy cartridge than 223REM that still fits in GI mags. Or, a SAAMI-spec cartridge that is effectively 300 Whisper, but not a wildcat/proprietary.

So yes, every cartridge has a purpose, however tenuous, that distinguishes it from the others.

 

[AHM]

(Don't judge me, but) I just saw this album cover
while listening to Palmyra Delran's show
on SXM: (Little Steven's) Underground Garage:

Maybe that title is the Industry's olive branch
lobbed onto the battlefields of the Caliber Wars;
asking the musical question, Why Can't We All Get Along?

 

[Boghog1]

(Don't judge me, but) I just saw this album cover
while listening to Palmyra Delran's show
on SXM: (Little Steven's) Underground Garage:

Maybe that title is the Industry's olive branch
lobbed onto the battlefields of the Caliber Wars;
asking the musical question, Why Can't We All Get Along?

What's an album?

 

[AHM]

What's an album?

I originally wrote...

... ablum cover (<= Letterman malaprop)​

...but ultimately decided Less Is More and stuck to the Queen's English.

So maybe you're psychic or something.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

6.5 Grendel is probably as close as you can get to the .308 in a general purpose AR-15 caliber. Here is a good writeup comparing the two.

You hit the nail on the head: same performance, AR-15 platform. It is kinda cool going to the range with a couple of uppers instead of multiple guns...

 

[paul73]

You hit the nail on the head: same performance, AR-15 platform. It is kinda cool going to the range with a couple of uppers instead of multiple guns...

yep, it is a same model i follow - 2 lowers for both 10/15 platforms, then you miltiple the uppers.
for hunters that 6.5Grendel is indeed a great thing, a much lighter setup to carry around.

 

[Boghog1]

fawk, now I want a grendel

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

fawk, now I want a grendel

Do it! You won't regret it! It's just an upper and a mag(a follower, to be exact).

 

[paul73]

fawk, now I want a grendel

if serious - at PA they have a sale on them now.
there are both 18" and 20" versions, odin works. should be ok quality and accuracy wise.

Odin Works Billet Complete AR-15 Upper 6.5 Grendel Intermediate - 18"

DetailsThe Odin Works 6.5 Grendel Complete Upper Receiver Group is what you need if you plan on building a precision rifle good for target shooting and hunting while having the same footprint of a 5.56 AR-15. This Complete AR-15 Upper Receiver features a 18” heavy barrel machined from 416R...

www.primaryarms.com

from what i recall they did not keep them at that price while site-wide 12% discount was running, but, it was a while ago.
that 18" barrel itself is 2.43lbs, btw. 20" is 2.66lbs. a $340 msrp from odin.

6.5 Grendel Barrel 18 inch Intermediate | Shop Now

Get your 6.5 Grendel Barrel 18 inch Intermediate now! Improve your accuracy. ODIN Works is your premiere gun barrel and accessories provider.

www.odinworks.com

 

[cathouse01]

if serious - at PA they have a sale on them now.
there are both 18" and 20" versions, odin works. should be ok quality and accuracy wise.

Odin Works Billet Complete AR-15 Upper 6.5 Grendel Intermediate - 18"

DetailsThe Odin Works 6.5 Grendel Complete Upper Receiver Group is what you need if you plan on building a precision rifle good for target shooting and hunting while having the same footprint of a 5.56 AR-15. This Complete AR-15 Upper Receiver features a 18” heavy barrel machined from 416R...

www.primaryarms.com

from what i recall they did not keep them at that price while site-wide 12% discount was running, but, it was a while ago.
that 18" barrel itself is 2.43lbs, btw. 20" is 2.66lbs. a $340 msrp from odin.

6.5 Grendel Barrel 18 inch Intermediate | Shop Now

Get your 6.5 Grendel Barrel 18 inch Intermediate now! Improve your accuracy. ODIN Works is your premiere gun barrel and accessories provider.

www.odinworks.com

You can also get a 20 in complete upper (including BCG and charging handle) from AR15 Parts for $600. It comes with a heavy stainless steel barrel by Shaw, who has a decent rep for utility barrels:

20" 6.5 GRENDEL Shaw Stainless Medium Barrel - 15" Rail - A2 Flash Hider - AR 15 Upper

20" 6.5 GRENDEL Upper Receiver - 15" Rail & A2 Flash Hider - 20" 6.5 GRENDEL Shaw Match Grade 416R Stainless Medium Barrel w/1x8 Twist & 5/8x24 Threads

ar15parts.com

I’ve gotten a couple of uppers from them and they are OK for the price.

 

[paul73]

You can also get a 20 in complete upper (including BCG and charging handle) from AR15 Parts for $600. It comes with a heavy stainless steel barrel by Shaw, who has a decent rep for utility barrels:

20" 6.5 GRENDEL Shaw Stainless Medium Barrel - 15" Rail - A2 Flash Hider - AR 15 Upper

20" 6.5 GRENDEL Upper Receiver - 15" Rail & A2 Flash Hider - 20" 6.5 GRENDEL Shaw Match Grade 416R Stainless Medium Barrel w/1x8 Twist & 5/8x24 Threads

ar15parts.com

I’ve gotten a couple of uppers from them and they are OK for the price.

it actually goes to $660 with all the options added - may or may not be better than the $700 odin? dunno.
i got one really good upper from ar15parts, in 6.5CM, the .308 one was not so great.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Bear Creek Arsenal sells Grendel uppers starting at under $250.

Search results for: 'ar 15 ar 15 complete upper assembly 6_5_grendel_type_ii'

Bear Creek Arsenal manufactures the largest selection of affordable quality AR-15 and AR-10 Firearms, Uppers, Lowers, Barrels, Assemblies, and more!

www.bearcreekarsenal.com

 

[paul73]

Bear Creek Arsenal sells Grendel uppers starting at under $250.

Search results for: 'ar 15 ar 15 complete upper assembly 6_5_grendel_type_ii'

Bear Creek Arsenal manufactures the largest selection of affordable quality AR-15 and AR-10 Firearms, Uppers, Lowers, Barrels, Assemblies, and more!

www.bearcreekarsenal.com

well, the BCA are extremely budget, be aware of that.

[Hands-On Review] Bear Creek Arsenal AR-15: Is It Good?

We tested the budget-friendly BCA AR-15 and found some...interesting surprises. Come see why this AR had us scratching our heads.

www.pewpewtactical.com

 

[cathouse01]

it actually goes to $660 with all the options added - may or may not be better than the $700 odin? dunno.
i got one really good upper from ar15parts, in 6.5CM, the .308 one was not so great.

I only priced it with the included A2 birdcage, the BCG and the cheap charging handle. I can get the mags and a better comp for less money from other sources. However, all this talk has now made me want a 6.5 Grendel and since I’ve already gotten uppers from AR15 Parts, I think I’ll try the Odin. From what I’ve found on the web, the Shaw barrels that AR15 Parts uses and Odin barrels are about the same, with a slight edge to the Odin.

 

[paul73]

I only priced it with the included A2 birdcage, the BCG and the cheap charging handle. I can get the mags and a better comp for less money from other sources. However, all this talk has now made me want a 6.5 Grendel and since I’ve already gotten uppers from AR15 Parts, I think I’ll try the Odin. From what I’ve found on the web, the Shaw barrels that AR15 Parts uses and Odin barrels are about the same, with a slight edge to the Odin.

I’ll wait for your review.
I am not going to hunt any time soon, so, my interest now is more toward .300WM or may be .300wsm.
And I need to learn precision shooting of gas ar10s. It is kicking like a mule.

 

[10thSFFD]

What is the conclusion?

Did NES jury reach the correct verdict?

Use toy calibers to get to a real boom as soon as possible?

 

[cathouse01]

I’ll wait for your review.
I am not going to hunt any time soon, so, my interest now is more toward .300WM or may be .300wsm.
And I need to learn precision shooting of gas ar10s. It is kicking like a mule.

I'll let you know. I have an AR15 Parts upper in 6.8 SPC II with the Shaws 18 in. stainless heavy barrel. We’ll see how it compares to the Odin. Of course now I have to build out another lower. I hate to have “orphaned” uppers that don’t have their own lowers.

I have an LR308 (AR10) in .243 Win. It’s a real hoot to shoot. Light recoil (much lighter than 6.5 Creedmoor). Flat shooting, though the bullets don’t have the SD of a 6.5mm. Good for long range varmint hunting to medium range white tail. Buffalo Bore makes a 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip load that can reach over 3900 fps out of a 20 inch barrel. Hit a squirrel with it and all you see is a red mist. I use it as my coyote gun with the 85 gr Barns TSX Boat Tail at about 3,300 fps.

 

[Quite_Exasperated]

I read the title of this thread and all I can think is “Toyota Corolla vs. Chevy Malibu vs. F150 vs. ??”

 

[MisterHappy]

Meh.

I don't want to get shot with any of the above (or any others, for that matter).

Use what you can shoot well. Many small holes are more effective than few large misses.

These days, the most effective ammo is whatever you can find.