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21 killed, 18 injured in shooting at elementary school in Uvalde, Texas
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You’ve got to be kidding me!! This BS boils my blood.
Maybe one of the parents should tell the cops there: I will be back with my gun and you can step aside let me save my kid or shoot me in the back.
may be, but it does not seem the only singular source stating the same version of events. nothing is for certain, of course, but so far it seems to be of what had happened.
so far is seems the SRO and police did nothing at all, with a strategic tactical wait approach, with border folks coming in to the scene as their kids were in that school. in desperation they called in their homies/husbands on patrol, and that group came and stormed into the building ignoring cops. if you have a better version - tell me, but it sounds realistic enough to me.
Border Patrol Agents Killed the Uvalde School Shooter. But Why Were They on the Scene?
Customs and Border Protection is a ubiquitous presence in many Texas communities, and agents are often first responders.www.texasmonthly.com
PS. that also explains why perp is dead and not presented now as a prized trophy on all the TV screens.
PPS. 'More could have been done': Witnesses question law enforcement response to Texas school shooting
Good context. Thanks.
I've been working all day and not keeping up with the coverage. It's still an evolving
Truth is the first casualty, both sides do it, yada yada.
There is gunfire in the background of the tape, and one of the parents is saying so in the footage.
Don't be so sure they were all dead. The child that cried for help when called by an officer wasn't dead yet, either.
Our natural tendency is to reduce the horror as much as we can, but every hour comes with a new piece of information that makes it worse.
The only way now is through. Stop trying to mitigate. This was a horrific f***up on the part of police, and they deserve no quarter from the public.
Yeah, that is totally possible but even in that case, how is a person at that time to know that he is only going to kill those kids, and not move to the next group? I'd rather see, hell I'd rather be part of a group rushing him as soon as they got there even if it meant my death in the attempt for no real gain, just on the chance that it would stop him from killing any more.
In all honesty, if there were cops who went in to evac their own kids and not do anything about the problem they need to be fired, first from their jobs and then out of a cannon into a brick wall. You are right that we don't have a good idea what happened when, I'm just not sure that we will ever get a timeline that we can trust.
How do you know that? How could the cops reasonably know that?
Nah. The thin blue line decided to stay home, larping is safer.
I still can't wrap my head around the timeline of cops just sitting around for 40 minutes, but only one classroom was attacked. He could have blown a hole through a door in that amount of time if the doors were locked. Something isn't adding up.
Sure. What is the gunfire though? Could it have been the breach team going in? Look, lay people are absolutely terrible eye witnesses. Even trained people are terrible at it. I'm all for terminating anyone who just sat there. But nothing I'm reading is making any sense to me.
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I didn’t hear any gun fire in the video. Was there?
Simple math. How long would it take you to shoot up a classroom? Me? 15-20 seconds, max. So, if the cops waited 30+ minutes outside, just how many would be left even with an untrained person? Even 5 minutes is too long, the rest of the narrative is going to come out, good or bad, eventually.
During those 30 minutes, on minute one do you think cops were like meh, they are already dead or on minute 25?
I just listened to the last twitter video, volume so loud my ears hurt. I didn't hear a gunshot. I did hear someone say there was shooting, but nothing remotely sharp thuddy sound a firearm would be inside a building like that.
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BTW I've read that the batteries in those things don't respond well to weather extremes...
No idea. But people are simply making stuff up at this point. There is no new information I've seen, just recap of stuff that's already out. Listen to yourself, does what you just typed make any logical sense when we have evidence of people not wearing the proper gear to go into that situation? So, they waited 30 minutes to go in, but said 'f it, not wearing the kevlar helmet'.
I agree.
Like suggesting those kids were dead and the cops KNEW those kids were dead while the cops hung around with their thumbs up their ass.
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Just heard on the news (WBZ) the shooter came in via an unlocked door
I've posted something like this in this thread before, but better late, accurate information than early lies.
At this point, just like with Ukraine, the profusion of conflicting information has already poisoned the well to the tune that I doubt everyone will ever agree on what "really happened."
It's a shame. I'm hopping off the bandwagon and waiting for more context. Currently this looks like cowardly LEOs, but yesterday didn't. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? We don't, that's for sure.
At this point, just like with Ukraine, the profusion of conflicting information has already poisoned the well to the tune that I doubt everyone will ever agree on what "really happened."
It's a shame. I'm hopping off the bandwagon and waiting for more context. Currently this looks like cowardly LEOs, but yesterday didn't. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? We don't, that's for sure.
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(reminder: MSNBC is the FBI/CIA mouthpiece)
Michael Moore On MSNBC: “It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment” – Deadline Michael Moore Tells MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, “It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment”
View: https://twitter.com/allinwithchris/status/1529281763482259456?s=21&t=YQIR3QzFzDHSNnh4STgBEA
Michael Moore On MSNBC: “It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment” – Deadline Michael Moore Tells MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, “It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment”
View: https://twitter.com/allinwithchris/status/1529281763482259456?s=21&t=YQIR3QzFzDHSNnh4STgBEA
It was , he was escorted out per the request of the people holding the meeting without being arrested.
Then he should have been taken out behind the dumpster in the alley and beaten within an inch of his life by a grieving parent for being a disrespectful sack of low life garbage.
Thank you for that, if shots were still being fired, and they stayed outside holding dongs,dam. Here's hoping.
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Everytime that windbag opens his loud mouth, I think of the video below showing a young skinny Michael Moore, who clearly started out in life .... as a loudmouth obnoxious windbag.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7Fi8I-qOk&t=17s
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Once shooting can be heard it’s no longer a hostage/standoff situation, it’s an active shooter and you go in. The excuse that the 19 murdered children were all dead within the first few minutes is BS. There was an entire school full of potential victims that needed saving IMMEDIATELY.
My understanding, and it could be way off since we don't have a lot of info, was that those cops were sitting around doing nothing for a while. The border patrol guys showed up, were told to wait for backup, ignored that and went in and killed him. If this is the case those other cops have every reason to deflect and deny and mess with the timeline so that they don't look as bad.
Of course, it's also possible that those videos are after the shooter was killed and the cops are mostly keeping people away from the carnage. We will likely never know, because they cops have every reason to make it seem like the second scenario and not the first.
that is why nothing good is ever getting done on any topic here now as one set of lunatics chants that an every child, felon and psychotic schizoid should have full unrestricted access to any sorts of weapons - and the other set of loonies claims that not just guns but a whole constitution itself needs to be 'repealed'.
and go figure any common sense there, as there is nothing common left anymore among no one.
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BORTAC is the 'backup'. Telling them to stand down isn't going to go down well. They got a little off base and got one of their own killed for being stupid a while back, they are pretty damn serious now a days.
The gray hoodie pic is pretty affeminate, IMO.
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wow, who is giving the kids the message that it is not polite to be friendly and social? Or is she just using that is an excuse because she is just very shy? Hopefully the latter because you can help her overcome her shyness. If it's the former, someone espousing a belief system that leads to isolation is a much bigger problem.
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Cheese and crackers.... when you say it like that, man I feel old.
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Something I don’t understand: he worked at Wendy’s, yet apparently had a hand gun and 2 DD and 2500 rounds and plate carrier (no plates).
Wendy’s hourly wage: $8 per hour. Part time 15 hours per week. Only $120 wage per week, with taxes taken out of that as well. No way he could afford 8k of weaponry by himself.
Wendy’s hourly wage: $8 per hour. Part time 15 hours per week. Only $120 wage per week, with taxes taken out of that as well. No way he could afford 8k of weaponry by himself.
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