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Why will some places not ship any mags to CT, even 10rds or less?

Discussion in 'Connecticut Laws' started by Carl in Ct, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. Carl in Ct

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    I was going to order a SR22 online from CDNN Sports and have it shipped to a local FFL who would do the transfer for me. The guy at CDNN told me they cannot do it because they cannot ship any mags at all, even 10rds or less into CT unless they are being bought by a FFL. So even though I was having the gun shipped to a FFL to do the transfer I was still the purchaser, not the FFL, so they could not sell the gun with mags. I would have to have the FFL actually do the order for me, not just the transfer. What difference does it make? They are legal 10rd mags? I have heard that some distributers and even Ruger will not sell mags into CT, even to FFLs. Why does this seem too stupid even for CT law? Are these places misinterpreting something?
     

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    Because of the situation down in CT, whether right or wrong, it would not surprise me if people are not inbounding certain kind of items into CT. Welcome to the same kind of hell we've dealt with in MA for the past 20+ years.

    -Mike
     
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    It's because you now "need" a license/permit to buy mags/ammo/firearms (reminder, long guns go in effect next week). Some places will ship (or should ship, I haven't done this yet) if you send them a copy of said license, same as if you are buying ammo online and having it sent to you.
     
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    This. If they won't ship to me, I won't order from them anyway. Not worth the hassle in my book.
     
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    No license or permit required to buy mags.

    Correct on other things.

    Like Mike said, its because they dont' want to take any chances.
     
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    "Magazines and Ammunition

    Effective April 1, 2014 you will be required to have either a pistol permit, eligibility certificate for pistol or revolver or a eligibility certificate for long gun in order to purchase firearms andlegal magazines."


    Source: http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=530224&A=4213
     
  7. Carl in Ct

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    I understand all of that regarding mags being shipped directly to an individual and I understand some places not wanting to get involved with checking individuals' premits, etc. but my order was being shipped to a FFL. It is the FFL's responsibility to check my permit, etc. before they release the mags (and pistol) to me. That's why they are getting a $35 transfer fee. If I didn't have the right permits they ship the items back to the retailer at my expense and the reatailer refunds my money less any restocking fees. It's not rocket science and plenty of retailers are handling it without an issue. I just think some retailers are being jerks about it. Centerfire Systems and Cheaper than Dirt also have idiotic policies for CT and other ban states regarding firearms and magazines so I don't do business with them for anything anymore. Again, I'm not talking about orders shipped individuals, I understand that's a lot to get involved with for them, I am talking about orders going to FFLs. No rational reason for them to not ship to FFLs.
     
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    Actually Carl, your thinking like a MA person.

    No permit is necessary to buy magazines in CT. So that isn't rational.

    What kind mags are you looking for?
     
  9. Len-2A Training

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    Not in CT but from what I've learned in MA post-98 when our GCA went into effect.

    MANY companies do not want to be bothered educating themselves about the various nuances of what can/can not be done, what permits are required, etc. So they put a "total ban" policy on shipping to that state and just don't deal with it. Chief Glidden (LE expert on MA gun law) used to call the companies up and talk with their legal departments to try to convince them to deal with MA . . . he finally gave up doing that as he found it to be an effort in futility with most companies.

    Also since the MA AGs (3 of them) have threatened companies that shipped to MA, word got out to others and many now have a policy not to ship anything even to FFLs. Even BassPro won't ship ammo to their own store in MA for pick-up (where you'd have to produce your LTC to pick it up).

    This harassment from MA may well have convinced many companies that they don't want to risk similar behavior from your CT AG and will just invoke the "no ship" policy across the board. It's a cancer that will spread across the nation if allowed to (until the USSC rules differently).
     
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    There are distributers who will not ship cerain items even to dealers as a matter of policy. I have had to aquire off-list handguns and evil-feature rifles (for my inventory, not for sale to Mass residents), by having my FFL son in NH order them and then transfer them to me. Pain in the ass. Jack.
     
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    You do need a permit to buy Magazines in CT. That when in to effect with the Ammo permit back in October. The permit is for buying ammo and magazines in CT.
     
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    From us Massachusetts victims of such thinking:

     
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    Jack,
    Jerry's started shipping non-compliant firearms to states like MA and CT a couple of months ago. Their point was that their attorneys reviewed the laws, saw exemptions for dealers and RIGHTFULLY concluded that it was up to the dealers to ensure compliance with local laws. This is how the system is supposed to work. Its not up to the distributors to police who the dealers sell to. In many cases, the dealers do compliance work to make the firearm legal in their state, or intend to sell to a LEO who is exempt, or may simply want to resell it out of state.

    Since then, I've heard of Davidson's doing the same thing. Although unless its a distributor special, I couldn't imagine why anyone would buy from Davidsons.
     
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    if 1% of sales incurred a large amount of liability (perceived or real), it's probably a wise business decisions to cease sales to that 1% of us that live in soviet states.

    like if a woman told you that you had a 1% chance of sleeping with her and a >50% chance of getting yelled at or kicked in the nuts, we would all look elsewhere.

    it's a sucky situation but i cannot blame the vendors (at least not with the current political climate).
     
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    CA has 30 million people. Thats a huge market for some to ignore.
     
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    Thanks for this info. Makes life easier. I get most of my stuff from Jerry's if they have it. Jack.
     
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    They put it on the front page of their web site for about a month. They basically said that if you order it, its up to you to make the retail deal within the law, and if you try to return something, we will make you pay!!

    Fair all around.
     
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    I'm not actually looking for mags, I was just wanting to order a perfectly legal Ruger SR22 which included two perfectly legal 10rd mags. They told me that they could not sell me the gun because of the mags even though they realize the mags are legal in CT and that I was having the gun shipped to a FFL but their policy is no mags to CT, period. If I recall he said they could ship the gun if it didn't come with any mags but they weren't willing to pull out the mags to sell the gun (which I would not have done anyway, kinda need mags to use the gun).

    Buds Gun Shop is willing to do it so I ordered it from them and I even got the "Talo" version which kicks in an extra 10rd mag for no extra money. I hope I got good info and they don't change their minds. I'm a little nervous because it's been "processing" for a week now but they say 3-7 business days so I guess it's not out of the ordinary yet. Their stated CT restrictions policy clearly indicates this order should be no problem.
     
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    Exactly Don, this is rational, logical thinking as opposed to knee-jerk reactionary thinking. I would not sell to individuals in CT from out of state either but selling to a FFL is different. Once an item is transferred to the FFL it's the FFL's problem to make sure local laws are upheld. Maybe some of these retailers will come around in time when they realize they are losing market share for no good reason. I totally understand halting everything at first but all of these places have legal departments that should be able to see by now that selling to a FFL dealer in CT removes them from potential liability.
     
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    This is exactly what the CT gov wants. This is back door 2nd amendment infringement. They make it so hard to buy/own guns that retailers just walk away from CT and most gun owners want to move and take their big, scary, evil .22s with them. The gov can say they didn't outlaw it but making laws with ridiculous hoops to jump through is infringement.

    Just got e-mail from Buds, my order is now in shipping so I guess I'm good to go. Buds earned my business by being rational, thinking people rather than falling into the liberal's plan of knee-jerk reactions to unconstitutional laws.
     
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    Neither CT or MA is big enough of a market to make the effort (for many dealers/distributors) to understand the laws. CA is big enough ($$$) to justify them hiring additional attorneys if needed to make such a determination.
     
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    The thing is, eventually they will need to deal with it. If they just keep writing off CT, MA, NY, MD, CO, Chicago, DC, etc. they will lose too much business. I would think the same lawyers they hire to interpret CA laws could do the same for the other states/municipalities. Not only loss of sales but they are losing ground in the fight to uphold the 2nd amendment. By giving in to the liberal back door infringememt they are allowing the cancer to spread more than it would if they fought to still get legal guns and accessories into ban states.
     
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    Carl,

    Why not buy in CT from a CT dealer. The SR22 isn't exactly hard to get. Hoffmans had super deals on Rugers. And a cheap gun like that, sales tax is inconsequential.

    Don
     
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    I did see Hoffmans prices but that is not my favorite place to shop. Always crowded as heck, hard to get someone to help you unless you are looking at a $1,000+ gun and once they do decide to help you they get impatient. They make me feel like if I don't want to buy it in 30 seconds or less I should just go away. I don't mean to bash them, I'm sure they are nice people but it's just not been a pleasant experience for me when I go there. I always bought from my local guy but the FFL was under his son the last few years who abruptly moved to Maine leaving that shop with no FFL. Hopefully he will be back in business soon and I can go back to keeping my business local.
     
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    Carl,
    Your impression of Hoffmans is pretty accurate. Its not my favorite place to shop. But they buy direct from Ruger and S&W. Because of their volume they can sell stuff that smaller stores can't even get, and they can sell it cheaply.

    With that said, I don't particularly care for the place either. But I figured since you were whoring yourself out with a Buds purchase, why not go to Hoff.

    About 10 minutes from Hoffmans is Newington Gun Exchange a/k/a NGX. Nice guys, a decent inventory and decent prices.

    Don
     
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    I agree that Hoffman's is a terrible place. But they usually have selection. So sometimes you just have to deal.
     
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    Yup, I do like Newington Gun Exchange. Much more like the smaller family shops I am used to and they actually had the SR22 for $10 less than Hoffmans. Don you are 100% correct that Hoffmans can get guns the little guys sometimes can't which is why I haven't completely written them off. I usually try to support smaller local business instead of box stores or online and am willing to pay a little extra to do so.

    I actually never intended to buy online but I was asking some questions on another forum and someone sent me a link to CDNN who had a really good price so I tried there but that failed due to their stupid no CT policy. I ended up going with Buds because they had the SR22 Talo version nobody else even heard of. I don't get hung up on some stupid name (what is Talo anyway) but I liked the look of the blued barrel and the 3rd mag for no extra cost. I have never ordered from Buds before and only bought 1 gun online before this (a C&R SKS direct from the importer that was 1/2 the price of anything locally).
     
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    Only decent store down my way is Outpost. Tried Ron's one time and really got turned off from going there.

    J&G in AZ has updated their ammo policy finally, now they will ship to CT with a permit on file.
     
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    I have only been to the Outpost once, if it's the place I'm thinking of. My buddy goes there on his way home from the casino (where he works) and says their prices can be high on some things. I was actually hoping me and him could go on one of our old school Hoffmans, Newington Gun-ex, Military Specialties, Chinese buffet road trips this weekend but his wife just had foot surgery so he's on domestic duty with his kids. No better way to kill half a Saturday than looking at guns, poking around military surplus crap (although it's mostly new and overpriced stuff now I think) and eating too much bad Chinese food. Heck we could even toss in a stop at Cabelas on the way home if we want to take a ticket like we are buying cold meat and cheese at Stop & Shop.
     
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    I hear that! I used to work at Cabela's as a Firearm Inspector (May 12-Jan 13) and love stopping in and seeing my old co-workers (who feign shock that I haven't been banned from the site yet). I'd offer to go with you, but heading to New Haven for the wife's birthday (though I'm still hunting for the elusive revolver she wants...for a decent price)
     

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