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The big problem with “kids” is gun fit.I was in Bass Pro in Hooksett today. A dad and his two sons are standing right in front of the red dots, which I wanted to look at. The dad's going through every possible potential youth hunting rifle under $750 and rejecting them all. The kids are like 11, 12 and one of them is getting into hunting and shoots a .410.
Why would someone buy a youth rifle these days instead of an AR with a collapsible stock and a 5-round mag? A kid is going to grow from 5', 100lbs at 12, 13 to perhaps over 6' tall and 180+ pounds. Even a small kid can grow into being like 5'7, 5'8, 150+. Why buy a youth rifle instead of a rifle where, when the kid grows, you can just pull the stock out more?
Even caliber doesn't matter. Deer can be harvested ethically with .223, but if someone isn't comfortable with .223, there's the 6.8s, .260 Remington, .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, etc. A kid could manage the recoil of .223 or x39 much easier than .270 or .30-06.
Edit: I can get being on a budget and the only rifle dad can afford is a NEF Handi-Rifle. But when you're getting into guns in the $350-750 range...
Thoughts?
I dont know, seems like the quieter you try to be with a AR the noiser it is. !Ah, good to know. I'll have to try that next range trip
To quietly chamber a round into an AR, you ride the bolt down and then use the forward assist.
I was just joking. Not seriousOuch. That hurts, man.
Exactly what I bought for my daughter last year for a 6 year old birthday gift. She wanted a semiauto and got a Savage bolt gun instead. Doing her a favor. She is learning to fire accurate single shots instead of wasting ammunition with unaimed rapid fire..22 is most effective for kids rather than adults. Its basically what a kid between ages 6-12 should be using until they're ready for centerfire. Far less recoil + noise.
I hunt bunnies with a 12 gauge. Always IC choke and high brass loads. Gotta plan your shots and only shoot em when they are far enough away so you don't destroy them. Ive also hunted bunnies with a 410......in heavy thickets it's not enough pellets or horsepower to make it through the brush and do the job. For bunnies it's always the 12 now......I take plenty of snow shoe hare and cotton tail home every season and don't have a problem with destroying them.Actually, if you hunt bunnies, a .410 makes more sense than bigger shotguns regardless of age. I used a 16 once and nearly cut the bunny in half. Not to mention that it blew the intestines all through the meat and the bunny couldn't be used for eating.
For many hunters the gun used is a status symbol or tradition more than the economics or ability to have the gun multi task.I was in Bass Pro in Hooksett today. A dad and his two sons are standing right in front of the red dots, which I wanted to look at. The dad's going through every possible potential youth hunting rifle under $750 and rejecting them all. The kids are like 11, 12 and one of them is getting into hunting and shoots a .410.
Why would someone buy a youth rifle these days instead of an AR with a collapsible stock and a 5-round mag? A kid is going to grow from 5', 100lbs at 12, 13 to perhaps over 6' tall and 180+ pounds. Even a small kid can grow into being like 5'7, 5'8, 150+. Why buy a youth rifle instead of a rifle where, when the kid grows, you can just pull the stock out more?
Even caliber doesn't matter. Deer can be harvested ethically with .223, but if someone isn't comfortable with .223, there's the 6.8s, .260 Remington, .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, etc. A kid could manage the recoil of .223 or x39 much easier than .270 or .30-06.
Edit: I can get being on a budget and the only rifle dad can afford is a NEF Handi-Rifle. But when you're getting into guns in the $350-750 range...
Thoughts?
I've hunted the scrub on Nantucket with the .410 and brought home the bunnies. Granted some only had one pellet to the head. No where in New England is the scrubb hunting thicker than on theI hunt bunnies with a 12 gauge. Always IC choke and high brass loads. Gotta plan your shots and only shoot em when they are far enough away so you don't destroy them. Ive also hunted bunnies with a 410......in heavy thickets it's not enough pellets or horsepower to make it through the brush and do the job. For bunnies it's always the 12 now......I take plenty of snow shoe hare and cotton tail home every season and don't have a problem with destroying them.
I've hunted the scrub on Nantucket with the .410 and brought home the bunnies. Granted some only had one pellet to the head. No where in New England is the scrubb hunting thicker than on the
he island of Nantucket. If the .410 works there, it will work anywhere. I can't imagine hunting those little bunnies with my deer shotgun.
Browning a5 ic barrel #5 high brass 12 gauge Remy. Mossberg 500 12 gauge same setup. No meat damage.
Same shotguns we hunt deer with just change the barrels.
We just have different "style" Iol
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Go north. That's in pleasant ridge Maine. Thick covers.....up in the logging country. My absolute favorite hunting. We go up there a couple times a year.Wish I had some monsters like that to hunt around here.
I was in Bass Pro in Hooksett today. A dad and his two sons are standing right in front of the red dots, which I wanted to look at. The dad's going through every possible potential youth hunting rifle under $750 and rejecting them all. The kids are like 11, 12 and one of them is getting into hunting and shoots a .410.
Why would someone buy a youth rifle these days instead of an AR with a collapsible stock and a 5-round mag? A kid is going to grow from 5', 100lbs at 12, 13 to perhaps over 6' tall and 180+ pounds. Even a small kid can grow into being like 5'7, 5'8, 150+. Why buy a youth rifle instead of a rifle where, when the kid grows, you can just pull the stock out more?
Even caliber doesn't matter. Deer can be harvested ethically with .223, but if someone isn't comfortable with .223, there's the 6.8s, .260 Remington, .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, etc. A kid could manage the recoil of .223 or x39 much easier than .270 or .30-06.
Edit: I can get being on a budget and the only rifle dad can afford is a NEF Handi-Rifle. But when you're getting into guns in the $350-750 range...
Thoughts?
The biggest reason here is that when you hunt as a teenager on an FID card, you can't legally carry an AR-15 with a detachable magazine...
You can buy a long gun in NH as a mass resident. . Cash and Carry. Just sayingNH doesn't have FIDs
If someone's in Mass, it's a different ballgame. Not only do hunters have to comply with the gun laws, but there's also the risk of antis or other hunters flipping out and calling the cops or game wardens. But in NH or Maine? Not as much of an issue.
NH doesn't have FIDs
If someone's in Mass, it's a different ballgame. Not only do hunters have to comply with the gun laws, but there's also the risk of antis or other hunters flipping out and calling the cops or game wardens. But in NH or Maine? Not as much of an issue.
You can buy a long gun in NH as a mass resident. . Cash and Carry. Just saying
Wow this guy really got your attention eh?You can, but if someone was going from Mass into NH, I highly doubt they'd fingerf*ck every single possible option and then walk away after spending ten minutes at the counter. If I'm doing a cash sale, I'm going in, asking for exactly what I want, and then leaving with the gun.
That's assuming people act rationally and do research before making a big purchase.
Did just that. 12 gauge 870 for me and Jill's Mini 14 ranch rifle. The sales tax savings was an added bonus. Jill spent it on M193 ammo.You can buy a long gun in NH as a mass resident. . Cash and Carry. Just saying
Wow this guy really got your attention eh?
I've hunted the scrub on Nantucket with the .410 and brought home the bunnies. Granted some only had one pellet to the head. No where in New England is the scrubb hunting thicker than on the
island of Nantucket. If the .410 works there, it will work anywhere. I can't imagine hunting those little bunnies with my deer shotgun.
I can't speak for others, but I only use the .410 on bunnies. Bunnies drop pretty easily. I have hunted geese, but for geese I use a Benelli M1 Super 90, with a bird barrel attached.For you maybe. I have watched your posts well enough to trust you to be able to shoot the head off a moose with a belt fed at 30 yards and keep plenty of eddible meat left over.
Others? Not so much.
I'd consider .410 inhumane outside of clear air short range events on birds.
While my experience is shy, by understanding of ballistics is fair to good. I'm in the 12ga all day with the right round club.
.410 feels like winged thing only. Same reason why I never hunt deer with a .223. I am just not good enough to make the shot with a rifle with that round. Have I managed that with a .30-06 and a 7.62x54r? Yes.
But. Wow. .410 has some scatter.
A bolt action savage , .22 , with a fluted barrel is my fun range toy too.Weird. I have all kinds of toys to play from. And the most fun for me at the range is a bolt action Savage 300 .22lr with irons.
this is a good approach, also adding a nice adjustable iris to the rear sight would make for a good quick sight picture. you can go large hole for hunting and dial it down for target.The one thing I don't understand, and it goes for both the AR and 10/22 comments: you do know that an AR15 (or 10/22) with one round in the magazine is the same as a single-shot bolt action rifle, right? Everyone is treating it like you're handing the kid an AR with a Beta C Mag. If you want to teach your kid discipline while hunting, and making every shot count, then hand him a mag with one round in it.