White House Backs Right to Arms Outside Obama Events

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/18/AR2009081803416.html?hpid=topnews

Armed men seen mixing with protesters outside recent events held by President Obama acted within the law, the White House said Tuesday, attempting to allay fears of a security threat.

Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said people are entitled to carry weapons outside such events if local laws allow it. "There are laws that govern firearms that are done state or locally," he said. "Those laws don't change when the president comes to your state or locality."

Anti-gun campaigners disagreed with Gibbs's comments, voicing fears that volatile debates over health-care reform are more likely to turn violent if gun control is not enforced.

"What Gibbs said is wrong," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Individuals carrying loaded weapons at these events require constant attention from police and Secret Service officers. It's crazy to bring a gun to these events. It endangers everybody."

The past week has seen a spate of men carrying firearms while milling outside meetings Obama has held to defend his health-care reform effort. On Monday, a man with an AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifle strapped to his shoulder was outside a veterans' event in Phoenix. He was one of a dozen men who reportedly had guns outside the forum.

Phoenix police made no arrests, saying Arizona law allows weapons to be carried in the open.

Last week, a man with a gun strapped to his leg held a sign outside an Obama town hall meeting in Portsmouth, N.H., that read: "It's time to water the tree of liberty."

Before the same meeting, Richard Terry Young, a New Hampshire resident, was arrested by the Secret Service for allegedly having a loaded, unlicensed gun in his car. Young was stopped inside the school where Obama held the forum, having reportedly sneaked past a security perimeter.

Ed Donovan, a spokesman for the Secret Service, said incidents of firearms being carried outside presidential events are a "relatively new phenomenon." But he said the president's safety is not being jeopardized.



"We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms," he said. "We work closely with local law enforcement to make sure that their very strict laws on gun permits are administered. These people weren't ticketed for events and wouldn't have been allowed inside and weren't in a position outside to offer a threat." The immediate area occupied by Obama on such trips is considered a federal site where weapons are not permitted, Donovan said.

Lawmakers holding tense town hall debates about health-care reform also have seen armed constituents. The staff of some, including Rep. Stephen I. Cohen (D-Tenn.), have taken precautions to guard against guns being brought into gatherings.

"We asked everyone with firearms to check them with the sheriff before we began the meeting," said Marilyn Dillihay, Cohen's chief of staff, describing an Aug. 8 town hall debate in Memphis. "We've never done that before." The decision was made because the number of people at the event and the subject of the debate created a "potentially a volatile situation," she said.

"Obviously there's a lot of emotion with health care," Dillihay said. "Feelings are very tense, and we were just trying to make sure that things were safe."

One man at the meeting disclosed that he had a firearm and complied with a request to put it in his vehicle, she said.

Other lawmakers said they intended to take no precautions in future town hall meetings or to ask the advice of local law enforcement. C.J. Karamargin, a spokesman for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), said the congresswoman will "balance rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment and providing her constituents with a safe forum to share their views."

Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University at San Bernardino, said concern about whether Obama will enact new gun restrictions may also be contributing to the tense political climate.

"There's a lot of anger out there," Levin said.

"A key thing that's been bubbling under the surface is what's going on with President Obama and guns," he said. "There is a real question mark not only for extremists but for gun rights advocates in the mainstream."
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I swear, sometimes the ignorance of pols is amazing. They come off as saying Obama is safe because there is a law on the books saying you can't bring a gun to a site were he us at. If that was the case why pay all that money for security? I mean a law prevents it from happening, right? *insert sarcasm here*
 
Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, said people are entitled to carry weapons outside such events if local laws allow it. "There are laws that govern firearms that are done state or locally," he said. "Those laws don't change when the president comes to your state or locality."

^^ plus one for Gibbs I guess. Helmke just strongly highlighted the fact that his existence is based on fear and ignorance.
 
Ed Donovan, a spokesman for the Secret Service, said incidents of firearms being carried outside presidential events are a "relatively new phenomenon." But he said the president's safety is not being jeopardized.



"We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms," he said. "We work closely with local law enforcement to make sure that their very strict laws on gun permits are administered. These people weren't ticketed for events and wouldn't have been allowed inside and weren't in a position outside to offer a threat." The immediate area occupied by Obama on such trips is considered a federal site where weapons are not permitted, Donovan said.

[shocked]

[hmmm]...
 
I noticed that too but I guess I just hope the word subject was used in a LE sense as in the subject of an investigation, still makes you think about how the feds see us commoners.
 
chetD said:
Ed Donovan, a spokesman for the Secret Service, said incidents of firearms being carried outside presidential events are a "relatively new phenomenon." But he said the president's safety is not being jeopardized.



"We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms," he said. "We work closely with local law enforcement to make sure that their very strict laws on gun permits are administered. These people weren't ticketed for events and wouldn't have been allowed inside and weren't in a position outside to offer a threat." The immediate area occupied by Obama on such trips is considered a federal site where weapons are not permitted, Donovan said.

[shocked]

[hmmm]...
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It's being used in the LE sense, not in the "ruler-subject" sense.
 
I like the Brady Bunch's opinion: that the President should travel with a 500 meter Constitution exclusion-zone around him at all times.
 
""We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms," he said."


What's up with the secret service guy calling people subjects? We're citizens you ******.
 
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jhblaze1 said:
""We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms," he said."


What's up with the secret service guy calling people subjects? We're citizens you ******.
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[rolleyes]

A "subject" in LE terms refers to the person(s) being discussed. Not in the ruler/ruled sense.
 
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andrew said:
I like the Brady Bunch's opinion: that the President should travel with a 500 meter Constitution exclusion-zone around him at all times.
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Didn't they get that idea from Bush? I seem to remember them being among the people complaining extensively about first amendment zones...
 
"We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms,"
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An unarmed man is a subject unable to resist tyrrany and forced into compliance.
An armed man is a citizen who is willing & able to defend the Republic and his family.
 
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Amazing that some people, despite a good outcome, will find something to complain about. Subject is a common term in the LE arena. Not everyone is out to get you.
 
jhblaze1 said:
""We're well aware of the subjects that are showing up at these events with firearms," he said."


What's up with the secret service guy calling people subjects? We're citizens you ******.
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The fed jackboots are calling us "subjects"? Well, I guess the late Col. Jeff Cooper really got it right when he commented that armed men are citizens while unarmed men are subjects.
 
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