Veterans Blast Georgia Bill to Put PTSD Diagnosis on Driver's Licenses

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Good luck buying a gun with that designation on your drivers license.
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Veterans Blast Georgia Bill to Put PTSD Diagnosis on Driver's Licenses

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/12/law-label-veterans-damaged-license/?test=latestnews

Veterans groups are blasting Georgia lawmakers for passing legislation that would allow a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder to appear on driver's licenses.

The legislation, which awaits Gov. Sonny Purdue's signature, would permit servicemembers and veterans to request a PTSD denotation, which would appear on their driver's licenses as a specific health problem, much like poor eyesight.

PTSD is an anxiety disorder that can occur after a traumatic event, including sexual assault, physical assault and military combat. Symptoms include vivid flashbacks to the traumatic event, depression and substance abuse, among others. Up to 20 percent of veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars suffer from PTSD, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The bill would require a sworn statement from a physician verifying a diagnosis of PTSD and a waiver of liability for the release of the driver's medical information.

State Sen. Ron Ramsey, who co-sponsored the bill, says he sees no downside to the measure. In a statement to FoxNews.com, Ramsey, a Democrat, said the "completely voluntary" legislation may protect law enforcement officers and veterans from potentially dangerous situations.


"For example if a veteran suffering from PTSD was pulled over for a simple traffic violation, a designation on the license explaining the circumstances could inform an officer that the situation should be handled cautiously," the statement read. "If a veteran does not feel it is necessary to designate this on their license, then they do not have to. Again, it is entirely voluntary."

The bill's co-sponsor, State Sen. John Douglas, a Republican is an Army veteran who has also said the bill might encourage safer encounters between people with PTSD and law enforcement officials.

But veterans organizations contacted by FoxNews.com described the legislation as a "terrible idea."

Ryan Gallucci, a spokesman for AMVETS, a national organization representing 200,000 veterans, said the legislation puts veterans at risk of discrimination, even though the PTSD denotation would be voluntary.

He pointed out that driver's licenses are used for identification purposes that go far beyond encounters with police officers.

"Bar owners, liquor store owners could easily refuse service if they saw in black and white that a customer suffered from a mental illness -- even if it's service related," Gallucci wrote in an e-mail to FoxNews.com. "We already see enough negatives in how the public perceives today's veterans when it comes to mental health."

And he noted that all citizens -- veterans or otherwise -- have the opportunity to explain any medical condition to a judge when fighting a ticket.

"The police have an obligation to maintain order -- it doesn't matter why someone's breaking the law," Gallucci wrote. "Even with traffic tickets, you are entitled to your day in court. What AMVETS prefers to see are the veterans' courts we've seen spring up around the country designated to handle veterans' cases within the unique context of their experiences."

Marvin Myers, president of the Georgia Vietnam Veterans Alliance Inc., said he could think of no situation where a veteran would want to disclose his or her medical condition, including traffic stops.

"I don't understand the logic behind it whatsoever," he told FoxNews.com. "Why someone would voluntarily put this out there, I'm not sure."

He said he, too, was concerned of potential discrimination against veterans with PTSD.

"What happens if Jerry Smith has PTSD on his driver's license and he goes into a gun store? The clerk is going to say, 'Oh no, I'm not selling you that gun,'" Myers said. "I just think you open up Pandora's box. You're disclosing too much of yourself."

Myers acknowledged that the PTSD designation on a license could garner sympathy from law enforcement officials in some instances, but he said other members of his organization agreed that the legislation was misguided.

The Department of Veterans Affairs declined to comment when asked if it endorsed the legislation. Brian Zeringue, a spokesman for Georgia's Department of Veterans Service, said the agency had no objection to the law as long as the decision to include personal medical information on a driver's license is "left entirely up to" the veteran.

Chris Schrimpf, a spokesman for Purdue, said the Republican governor has not decided whether to sign the bill. A final decision will be made by June 8, he said.

Gordy Wright, a spokesman for Georgia State Patrol, said the PTSD designation, if signed into law, would give officers a visible alert to "be on guard" and more aware of potentially threatening actions.

"There would be an explanation to account for it," he said. "It can be a positive step for a positive outcome."

Wright insisted that drivers with the PTSD designation would not receive leniency.

"More or less, it's so the officer is aware of the condition and be alert for any sudden actions or movements," he said. "Never say never, but we would expect Georgia state troopers to conduct the traffic stop in a professional manner."
 
What AMVETS prefers to see are the veterans' courts we've seen spring up around the country designated to handle veterans' cases within the unique context of their experiences.
Huh? Special courts for veterans? How about special courts for every other sub group of society?

What bullcrap......
 
Gordy Wright, a spokesman for Georgia State Patrol, said the PTSD designation, if signed into law, would give officers a visible alert to "be on guard" and more aware of potentially threatening actions.
As always, police want to know EVERYTHING about you.
 
This is outragous. Who the hell would want that on their drivers license. Why don`t they have special Veterans plates that say, "I suffer from PTSD". Mororns.
 
Just another Demoncrap anti-military law. I hope this tool loses in November. Georgia has a lot of Veterans and current military members.

I don't think so. In an odd way, I think it is intended at least to be of assistance to military. It fails on so many levels at that though. So much so that there is a nasty treat them differently vibe going on. The idea seems to be that someone with PTSD *CHOOSES* to add this to their license, so when pulled over the cop treats them with kid gloves. Hmmmm.... What about GA law enforcement's behavior is such that they would set off a PTSD patient whereas interaction with the general public would not? Seems as though instead of putting this stupidity in, they would deal with that question.
 
WTF, over? i'm really surprised to see something like this in GA--it seems like such a MA thing. i hope they vote everyone out of office and make it so they can barely get a job flipping burgers.

these men and women gave a lot to the country and this is how they get treated when they get home? if they have been diagnosed with PTSD they will need support from the community, not to be branded as ticking time bombs or otherwise stigmatized.

also you make an excellent point above, terraformer. why would a bill like this even be necessary in the first place?
 
I couldn't wait for these licenses to come to Massachusetts.

I bought one of the baseball caps that say... "Disfunctional Veteran. Leave me alone!"

That was after acting like "Jose" didn't get me anywhere!!!! *S*
 
From the article:

Gordy Wright, a spokesman for Georgia State Patrol, said the PTSD designation, if signed into law, would give officers a visible alert to "be on guard" and more aware of potentially threatening actions.

"More or less, it's so the officer is aware of the condition and be alert for any sudden actions or movements,"

This is similar to that other state that recently wanted under-21 drivers to have it indicated on their license plates.

All potential threats to the State must be labeled. How else will order be maintained?

Stickers should be placed on license plates to warn authorities of at least all of these categories of people who are:

Under 21
Veterans with PTSD
Gun owners
Pit Bull owners
US flag owners
Opposed to the UN
Tax protesters
Sympathizers to the US Constitution
Anti socialist
Anti illegal immigration
 
Veterans aren't the only people that have a DX of PTSD. Survivers of earthquakes, rape, flood, near-death experiences, major car accidents and fires (just to name a few) can have a DX of PTSD. In fact, a significant number of people that are not veterans have a DX of PTSD.

This bill is just stupid.
 
I'd have so many stickers on my plate you wouldn't be able to read a number. Hmmmmm... that may not be a bad idea after all! *S*

From the article:



This is similar to that other state that recently wanted under-21 drivers to have it indicated on their license plates.

All potential threats to the State must be labeled. How else will order be maintained?

Stickers should be placed on license plates to warn authorities of at least all of these categories of people who are:

Under 21
Veterans with PTSD
Gun owners
Pit Bull owners
US flag owners
Opposed to the UN
Tax protesters
Sympathizers to the US Constitution
Anti socialist
Anti illegal immigration
 
Veterans aren't the only people that have a DX of PTSD. Survivers of earthquakes, rape, flood, near-death experiences, major car accidents and fires (just to name a few) can have a DX of PTSD. In fact, a significant number of people that are not veterans have a DX of PTSD.
Yup.

This bill is just stupid.
Yup.
 
I don't think so. In an odd way, I think it is intended at least to be of assistance to military. It fails on so many levels at that though.

I agree on both points, well intentioned but useless and stupid.

Hmmmm.... What about GA law enforcement's behavior is such that they would set off a PTSD patient whereas interaction with the general public would not? Seems as though instead of putting this stupidity in, they would deal with that question.

As the death of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller proved, well trained soldiers with emotional problems can be very deadly to cops on motor vehicle stops. But with that said, the only way to find out they're going to flip out or be a threat is if they flip out or do something threatening.

LE should be looking for strange or dangerous behavior as a rule anyway, but even if this helps them once or twice putting a system like this into place will just give Georgia LE a false sense of security.

i'm really surprised to see something like this in GA--it seems like such a MA thing.

Here's where it gets really interesting. In Georgia, if you're active duty military, you are exempt from all of the state laws regarding possessing and carrying firearms; i.e., military members can carry a gun anywhere and anyway they want to in the state, even when off duty, without any kind of permit.

http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=130

(a) Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to or affect any of the following persons if such persons are employed in the offices listed below or when authorized by federal or state law, regulations, or order:

-snip-

(3) Persons in the military service of the state or of the United States;

This includes soldiers who don't live in GA, like ones who are just passing through or visiting.
 
Huh? Special courts for veterans? How about special courts for every other sub group of society?

What bullcrap......

Perhaps the 'camel's nose under the tent' to get to 'special' Sharia law courts.

No effing way!


I'd love to see any stats on veterans 'going off' on cops vs the same stats for 'normal' citizens going off.
 
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I'd love to see any stats on veterans 'going off' on cops vs the same stats for 'normal' citizens going off.

So would I, I've never seen any before, but they're probably pretty high when compared to the average citizen; current estimates are that there's 25,000-45,000 gang members in the military, and they have higher rates of domestic violence than the average citizen too. The Ceres shootout, the Texas school tower shooting, the death of Kyle Dinkheller and many other felonious assualts on LEO's have involved former servicemen. It's my personal belief that this is just one more factor for LE to consider when dealing with people, since most soldiers are law abiding, just like most non-soldiers are; heck, even though military members are overrepresented in many types of crimes, it's not in any huge way, it's typically by small percentages.
 
Gordy Wright, a spokesman for Georgia State Patrol, said the PTSD designation, if signed into law, would give officers a visible alert to "be on guard" and more aware of potentially threatening actions.


With all due respect to LEOs everywhere, isn't that part of what they are supposed to do to begin with?
 
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