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This......just like Marlin, someone will need to focus on quality. That costs money. But the market is not like it is for Marlin Leverguns........
The market for quality wood/blue old style muzzleloaders is small and there are a lot of custom guys doing the work now. They get high prices for these guns...but they aren't the average joe.
The average joe went to a plastic stocked/stainless breech plug removable muzzleloader and CVA pretty much has most of that market now, and honestly while not as nice as a T/C,
fits the bill.
Wood/blue muzzleloaders, there's almost nothing out there there that's good......but i'm not too sure how big the market is for a quality wood/blue muzzleloader pushing 1K in price tag.
Because thats what T/C was great at.
I have a White Mountain Carbine and I'll never get rid of it because in my eyes its irreplaceable, they don't make the quality anymore.
Bringing back the contender and stuff like that...sure.....it would help, but again....profitwise....what is the market for shit like that....very small.
*Pedersoli joins the chat*Wood/blue muzzleloaders, there's almost nothing out there there that's good
In 81 I drove from Westford to Springfield with my Mod66 for a trigger job. I returned with my updated gun the same day.i can remember driving my contender to rochester, nh for some needed tlc after a tough silhouette season in the mid '80's. walked right in the front door looking for the service department. talk about brass balls. the lady made a quick call, someone came to the front reception and took my gun. after a hour and 45+ minute drive, i fully expected to leave with my repaired gun. this guy rolled his eyes, said come back in a couple hours, he'd see what they could do. the nice lady out front dug around her desk and came up with a coupon for pewter pot and said i could use it for breakfast if i wanted to head there for a while and jotted down directions. i had a nice ride, ate a nice breakfast, met some nice people at t/c and returned home with my contender repaired under warranty.
fast forward to 2020, i wrote t/c at s&w in springfield to try and buy a couple barrel pivot pins and a new rear sight for a 14" barrel. several attempts and i'm still waiting for a reply. guess that will never happen now. but happily, i got what i wanted off gunbroker.
I see what you tried to do there.Every gun owner should know how to ram the round ball down a barrel.
Similar experience for me: An old friend's Contender (the one above, now mine) had the hammer spur broken off, a spare couldn't be obtained from the dealer/importer for several years.i can remember driving my contender to rochester, nh for some needed tlc after a tough silhouette season in the mid '80's. walked right in the front door looking for the service department. talk about brass balls. the lady made a quick call, someone came to the front reception and took my gun. after a hour and 45+ minute drive, i fully expected to leave with my repaired gun. this guy rolled his eyes, said come back in a couple hours, he'd see what they could do. the nice lady out front dug around her desk and came up with a coupon for pewter pot and said i could use it for breakfast if i wanted to head there for a while and jotted down directions. i had a nice ride, ate a nice breakfast, met some nice people at t/c and returned home with my contender repaired under warranty.
fast forward to 2020, i wrote t/c at s&w in springfield to try and buy a couple barrel pivot pins and a new rear sight for a 14" barrel. several attempts and i'm still waiting for a reply. guess that will never happen now. but happily, i got what i wanted off gunbroker.
It is too bad the Kahr Group didn't buy them, those guys are doing great things. They are doing everything SW and Ruger could have been but f*cked up.
Smith and Wesson is such a POS company.
Didn't PSA buy H&R?I wish they, or someone else, would have bought up NEF/H&R. The Handi Rifle and their shotguns were solid, accurate, and reliable. The thing is, they were a little rough and crude. I think if they improved finish by 10%, they could increase sales by 70%. Keep the same basic idea, just refine a tiny bit. Also, a stainless version would be good.
So, what ever happened to the tools/factory/patents/etc. from NEF/H&R? Could someone buy them now? Would be a neat idea for a new company to take them over.
Dude, SICK! another AR15 ... just what we needed.Didn't PSA buy H&R?
In fact:
[SHOT Show 2023] PSA's New H and R Retro Rifle Series -
Palmetto State Armory recently acquired the Harrington & Richardson brand, and is working with NoDak Spud to make a new series of retro rifles.www.thefirearmblog.com
Of course it is. Companies that make things people want don't go out of business.That is a TOTALLY different thing than the Handi Rifle. I was talking about those specific rifles, not the company name.
I agree.Dude, SICK! another AR15 ... just what we needed.
Like this, for instance...
In the interview, they talk about the fact they're planning to re-release the M1 "and others"
They got bought by PSA. We shouldn't be surprised they start with an easy product. Hopefully, they'll see enough success that they try riskier products.
I answered the question of what happened to the company and its tooling - they were bought out.
From the context, most people would get that this was about the Handi Rifle specifically, not the company in general. If I'm mistaken, it should be clear now.The Handi Rifle and their shotguns were solid, accurate, and reliable. ...
So, what ever happened to the tools/factory/patents/etc. from NEF/H&R? Could someone buy them now?
I'll write slowly.Just in case, let me rephrase it:
What ever happened to the tools/factory/patents/etc. for the Handi Rifle from NEF/H&R? Could someone buy them now?
Please, can you write it a little slower?I'll write slowly.
H&R owns the tools.
H&R is owned by PSA.
PSA will decide if they'll come back.
That decision will follow attempts at more popular - and profitable - designs.
I don't know any of the internal decisions of a company I don't work for.Interesting. Did they move everything down to North Carolina then? Did employees also move there?
What bullets do you use in the carbine ?This......just like Marlin, someone will need to focus on quality. That costs money. But the market is not like it is for Marlin Leverguns........
The market for quality wood/blue old style muzzleloaders is small and there are a lot of custom guys doing the work now. They get high prices for these guns...but they aren't the average joe.
The average joe went to a plastic stocked/stainless breech plug removable muzzleloader and CVA pretty much has most of that market now, and honestly while not as nice as a T/C,
fits the bill.
Wood/blue muzzleloaders, there's almost nothing out there there that's good......but i'm not too sure how big the market is for a quality wood/blue muzzleloader pushing 1K in price tag.
Because thats what T/C was great at.
I have a White Mountain Carbine and I'll never get rid of it because in my eyes its irreplaceable, they don't make the quality anymore.
Bringing back the contender and stuff like that...sure.....it would help, but again....profitwise....what is the market for shit like that....very small.