The worst kind of Poser!

[Skysoldier]

As a Vietnam Veteran, I have always had a problem dealing with other people who lie or try to embellish their service with bullshit.

I was never a hero,..... but I knew some true heroes during that war, and I hate it when someone tries to claim fame that is not theirs.

It is an insult to all the Veterans who accomplished the outstanding deeds of Valor in Vietnam.

But what really ticks me off is a totally new kind of poser that I meet more and more lately.

They are the lowest form of poser I have ever found. They are the guy's that never even served in Vietnam, and some who never even served in the Military at all.

I guess they think that it was so long ago that now they can tell lies and bulls**t because all the real Vietnam Veterans are old and dying off, or maybe our minds and memories are failing us.

Anymore, I don't mention having served in Vietnam when meeting someone my age. I let them bring it up first, never letting on that I know anything about Vietnam.

And sure enough, they starting telling the same bulls**t stories I have been hearing for years in bars.

Often times, they can't even tell me what their MOS was. Some even look at me with a look that says they don't even know what an MOS is.

They say they were an Airborne Ranger, and don't even know where the Ranger School is.

They can't even tell me where they were in Vietnam, or what unit they were served in.

I think most of them suffer from guilt, like posing can somehow relieve their inner shame for never having served.

I look for these guys everywhere I go. In Bars, at Airports, everywhere...........

I have spent years learning all I can about every unit that served in Vietnam, and where they were in Vietnam; but it isn't necessary, because these guy's are so stupid they can't even do a little reading on the internet and come up with a good story.

I usually end the conversation by telling them they are a lying sack of s**t, and turn my back on them.

And true to form, every damn one of them will slink away, like the cowards they are!

It has become like a sadistic addiction to me. I just love setting the ambush up, just like I loved setting up ambushes in Vietnam.

Am I crazy?????

There are more Vietnam posers out there than there were Vietcong in Vietnam. I gotta get my realease somewhere.

 

[Skysoldier]

Here is a good example...........and he is an elected official who should be prosecuted for fraud!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/nyregion/18blumenthal.html

 

[JohnFH]

Here is a good example...........and he is an elected official who should be prosecuted for fraud!

Instead he was rewarded with a party nomination.

Every Veteran in the country should be bombarding the AG and governors office with emails and phone calls expressing their outrage.

 

[wolf223]

your point?

 

[Jose]

your point?

It is self evident, isn't it?

 

[Skysoldier]

your point?

Maybe I should ask you the same question......What is your point?

Do you not understand my point?

Please elucidate your post.......if you can!

 

[wolf223]

you like to "check" people at bars.... ???

my question is why? IF you did your thing, then good for you. why make it a point to "fact check" everything you see. anyone can find a flaw or question someone else's status.

nowdays, we call them cheese dicks, not sure what you guys called them back then. it's common that those who ask questions are often the least "high-speed" of the bunch.... i've had this talk on and off over the years...

example 1: i'm at a function in dress greens, cheese dick pulls me aside and questions my badge placement(s). i repond with the proper answer as in it's "optional" to wear on the pocket flap or above the awards.... said cheese got his eqivalent badge working the TOC

example 2: another cheese dick deployed, NOT with infantry and decided he could wear a badge. he questioned my badge vs. combat patch because no unit from our brigade had deployed prior to his deployment. what he failed to realize is i'd deployed BEFORE with reg. Army.... and had he done his homework, he'd realized that he wasn't even authorized to wear the badge because he was NOT assigned or attached to light infantry....

my experience is just that... cheese dicks like to ask questions vs. worry about their own lane.

i could write a book about posers too. i don't make it a point to seek and destroy them. i'm sure you know, within a couple minutes of talking to someone whether they are FOS or legit.

i get it all the time, at coffee shops, out and about. quite frankly, it's f****ing annoying when some pogue tries to question me who hasn't worn a uniform in decades....

Maybe I should ask you the same question......What is your point?

Do you not understand my point?

Please elucidate your post.......if you can!

 

[Skysoldier]

you like to "check" people at bars.... ???

my question is why? IF you did your thing, then good for you. why make it a point to "fact check" everything you see. anyone can find a flaw or question someone else's status.

nowdays, we call them cheese dicks, not sure what you guys called them back then. it's common that those who ask questions are often the least "high-speed" of the bunch.... i've had this talk on and off over the years...

example 1: i'm at a function in dress greens, cheese dick pulls me aside and questions my badge placement(s). i repond with the proper answer as in it's "optional" to wear on the pocket flap or above the awards.... said cheese got his eqivalent badge working the TOC

example 2: another cheese dick deployed, NOT with infantry and decided he could wear a badge. he questioned my badge vs. combat patch because no unit from our brigade had deployed prior to his deployment. what he failed to realize is i'd deployed BEFORE with reg. Army.... and had he done his homework, he'd realized that he wasn't even authorized to wear the badge because he was NOT assigned or attached to light infantry....

my experience is just that... cheese dicks like to ask questions vs. worry about their own lane.

i could write a book about posers too. i don't make it a point to seek and destroy them. i'm sure you know, within a couple minutes of talking to someone whether they are FOS or legit.

i get it all the time, at coffee shops, out and about. quite frankly, it's f****ing annoying when some pogue tries to question me who hasn't worn a uniform in decades....

Well then, I guess that makes me a "Cheese Dick and a Pogue"

And it is true that I haven't worn a uniform in decades.

But I only question those from my decade.....not yours!

So your arguments mean nothing to me....because you never lived in my boots .....Dude!

 

[wolf223]

 

[Skysoldier]

And let me also add.......I couldn't question a badge or ribbon on a uniform today.......because I haven't worn a uniform since the days of starched summer khakis, bloused jump boots and a c*** hat with a glider patch.

I wouldn't know what was correct today on a uniform.

This whole thread wasn't about badges and patches.

It's about the F***ing liars I meet from my generation who claim have been in Vietnam who have never been there!

I was never a hero. I did two tours in Vietnam a an 11B2P.....but I was never a Hero.

But I knew heroes!...and I deeply resent anyone who claims to be a hero that wasn't.

I had an older brother that did two tours in Vietnam and then got combat commission.

On his third tour as a 2LT, he earned the Distinguished Service Cross.

(And I can post his General Orders to prove it!)

He came home to bars filled with a**h***s that were all saying they earned the DSC!

Can you imagine what that was like?

Wolf223......someday you will be an old man like me. And you will go into a bar and meet a**h***s like I am talking about. They will claim to be heroes like you and want credit for your service!

And then you will understand what my point is.....

And BTW...thanks for your service......you have no idea how much I appreciate it!

 

[wolf223]

when we got back, the stories were astronaumical at the local restaurants... it makes me laugh to this day. the ones talking about it are doing just that, meanwhile there is some guy in-patient somewhere who will never live a normal life because 5 of his buddies got blown up [sad2] -those are the real heros

 

[wolf223]

 

[TheWookie]

I find/bump into/stumble across at least one poser per quarter. I get a lot of wanna bee Marines, (I guess, I just know what I'm sniffing for) it is just that easy. Sad, but true. And, I too,, love setting the ambush.

 

[Lignum Vitea]

Instead he was rewarded with a party nomination.

Lying gives the Dems street cred. Boosts the base, they expect it. The truth is foreign to them. They have believed so many lies they have deceived themselves. Obama is manifestation of their deception. Outrage to those who served in Nam? it never crossed their minds. Lie & self promote is the life at witch they strive. Surprises no one, they are government parasites.Yes!

 

[dustoff22]

How things have changed!

I marvel at how popular it's become to be a veteran (or current military) considering that when I was stationed in Texas and Alabama in the early to late 70's, the wearing of the uniform off post was discouraged. We were allowed to wear the uniform to and from our home but with NO stops made off post.

Just goes to show what a change there has been since the Vietnam days. I'm certainly glad that the acceptance has been made but vividly remember the days when someone with a military haircut would stand out like a sore thumb. Those were the days.

 

[wolf223]

i think it's because "the war"

i joined during peacetime and people either loved you or hated you. -NO in-between.

when Bosnia and Kosovo kicked off, we became "cool" again... then 9/11, ONE, OEF and OIF and we became cool (again)...

and everyone became PROUD to be a veteran and american again... 8+ years later...

IMO - that's why you have wanna-be's dressing up as soldiers for holloween, and during the rest of the year

I marvel at how popular it's become to be a veteran (or current military) considering that when I was stationed in Texas and Alabama in the early to late 70's, the wearing of the uniform off post was discouraged. We were allowed to wear the uniform to and from our home but with NO stops made off post.

Just goes to show what a change there has been since the Vietnam days. I'm certainly glad that the acceptance has been made but vividly remember the days when someone with a military haircut would stand out like a sore thumb. Those were the days.

 

[Bugs100]

I can still remember when the American Legion posts didn't want us.

 

[dustoff22]

I can still remember when the American Legion posts didn't want us.

Same thing with a local VFW post here in Hyannis, Bugs. Haven't even thought of joining one of those organizations. Maybe the current generation will think differently.

 

[Skysoldier]

I can still remember when the American Legion posts didn't want us.

Me too!

I remember sending home a Montagnard crossbow to my Dad to keep for me. He gave it to the local VFW that put it in a display case in the lobby.

When I came home, I tried to join that same VFW.....and the a**h***s told me I didn't qualify for membership because "I wasn't in a real war."

They told me to go join the American Legion.

I got pissed and told them I wanted my crossbow back, and they told me it was donated and I couldn't have it.

Five guy's escorted me out of the place, told me to never come back!

A week later, that same VFW post had a fire and burned down!

I only mention this because the statute of limitations has run out!

F**k the VFW! They treated me just as bad as the goddamn hippies did!

 

[depicts]

Same here. I've said it before. I went to the local Legion post. One founded by my Grandfather, my Father was a member and I was in the Jr Legion as a kid. When I came home, I went to the Legion hall with my Father in Law, who was Commander at the time. While sitting with a few members, I asked about membershipo and was told that they only wanted guys who "won their war".

I have never been back, and could care less what happens to the Legion or any of the other "Drinking clubs" that call themselves Veterans groups.

Hey Skysoldier. I guess it's just you and me for the Stand-down in Dedham on Sunday. That's cool!

 

[GrendelKhan]

I did two tours in Vietnam a an 11B2P.....but I was never a Hero.

2 tours in Vietnam? You're a hero to some people.

meanwhile there is some guy in-patient somewhere who will never live a normal life because 5 of his buddies got blown up [sad2] -those are the real heros

True. Thank you for reminding us. We need to hear that and remember that.

I can still remember when the American Legion posts didn't want us.

Same thing with a local VFW post here in Hyannis, Bugs. Haven't even thought of joining one of those organizations.

When I came home, I tried to join that same VFW.....and the a**h***s told me I didn't qualify for membership because "I wasn't in a real war."

I asked about membershipo and was told that they only wanted guys who "won their war".

Wow. I don't care who you are, if you don't support our troops, you're all kinds of wrong.

A week later, that same VFW post had a fire and burned down!

I wouldn't mind if that happened to every place that doesn't support ALL our troops.
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I know that this kind of thing hurts, but I hope that you all understand that what they said and did was wrong. There are many more people who are very grateful for your service and your sacrifice.

"All gave some, some gave all; Freedom Isn't Free."

 

[depicts]

2 tours in Vietnam? You're a hero to some people.

True. Thank you for reminding us. We need to hear that and remember that.

Wow. I don't care who you are, if you don't support our troops, you're all kinds of wrong.

I wouldn't mind if that happened to every place that doesn't support ALL our troops.
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I know that this kind of thing hurts, but I hope that you all understand that what they said and did was wrong. There are many more people who are very grateful for your service and your sacrifice.

"All gave some, some gave all; Freedom Isn't Free."

Grendelkhan, those were different times, and most of the PEOPLE did NOT support the serviceman or woman. At one point we weren't allowed to travel in uniform because of harassment and problems with the "Demonstrators", and "Students" who called us baby killers and worse. (Thanks Senator Kerry!)

In this day of pride in our servicepeople, it's hard for some of you younger people to believe it, but I couldn't admit I was a Vietnam Vet until the first Gulf War, after people began to respect our troops again. I guess that's why I wear a Vietnam Vet Ball cap all the time. I couldn't admit it for 25 years without getting hassled.

 

[jasons]

When I came home, I tried to join that same VFW.....and the a**h***s told me I didn't qualify for membership because "I wasn't in a real war."

Wow, I had no idea the VFW guys were like that. Did they take Korean "conflict" vets?

 

[Stinger]

My son, a 21 year old Marine, Iraq and back, finds that he is acting and feeling just like you because of all of the liars who play video games on the Internet....WTF...

 

[Pilgrim]

Wow, I had no idea the VFW guys were like that. Did they take Korean "conflict" vets?

I know several who wouldn't.

 

[GrendelKhan]

Grendelkhan, those were different times, and most of the PEOPLE did NOT support the serviceman or woman. At one point we weren't allowed to travel in uniform because of harassment and problems with the "Demonstrators", and "Students" who called us baby killers and worse. (Thanks Senator Kerry!)

In this day of pride in our servicepeople, it's hard for some of you younger people to believe it, but I couldn't admit I was a Vietnam Vet until the first Gulf War, after people began to respect our troops again. I guess that's why I wear a Vietnam Vet Ball cap all the time. I couldn't admit it for 25 years without getting hassled.

Understood. I'm just pointing out that not everyone is/was like that. I'm younger, and so yes, growing up heard only of bad things that happened over there, and so grew up thinking that Vietnam was a mistake (I have continued to grow up, and now realize that I am not capable of judging something of that magnitude). Regardless of my thoughts on the war, or the politics of the war, I always supported the troops - even as a kid. And so did/does every single person I know. I'm sure that they exist, I've just never come across people who would admit to calling people baby-killers or acting like that. It's shameful. I do hope things have changed, and changed completely. Most everyone I know, of every political stripe, has total respect for the people like yourself who went thru things that would have completely destroyed us. I know where my head was at at 18-20, and I doubt I could have lived thru a month over there.

Bottom line: I was just trying to distract you from those memories, for Memorial Day. For a moment or two...

 

[dustoff22]

I'm sure that they exist, I've just never come across people who would admit to calling people baby-killers or acting like that. It's shameful. I do hope things have changed, and changed completely.

I would suspect only the most callous of folks would now admit to calling any military person a baby-killer et al. Probably most who did were caught up in the frenzy of hate which seemed prevalent during the 60's and 70's......even in the South where patriotic respect was and is of a significantly higher level than found here in the northeast, there was the anti-military sentiment.... (probably transplanted yankees).

The good thing is that there's been a giant wave of change for the positive. The bad thing is that the memories of those years for those who wore the uniform still lingers.

 

[depicts]

I still remember one time in particular. every town has their hangouts, and in Norwood it was Justins on the town common. All the "gang" used to hang out around there. (The kids I hung out with anyway)

I was home one day when I walked up to town to see my old friends and catch up on things.

I won't use names, but trust me, I have never forgotten who was there. Among them were two girl cousins, relatives of the towns professional football hero. "Debbie" spit on me first. Then one at a time my "old friends" started telling me what an a**h*** and "babykiller" I was. I never went back. Never spoke to any of them again. I see some of them once in awhile, and act like they are invisible.

the veterans agent in Norwood told me he knows who I'm talking about. He said I did better than "Debbie" who was a drug addict and has had a crappy life. Karma I'd say.

No one but other Vietnam vets will ever understand the resentment me and other Vietnam Veterans still hold to this day.

Our friends, community and country told us we sucked.

It's not something you forget.

It gives you a unique perspective on these United States. People wonder why I laugh at anything having to do with the credibility of the people I share my country with.

Never forget.

Never forget.

How could I.

 

[Pilgrim]

I never had anyone spit at me, but I had people give me thumbs down, one finger salutes, holler at me and look me in the face, with a mean look on theirs, look at the floor, shaking their head and walk away, disgustedly. No one ever tried to pic a fight, they probably thought it wasn't a good idea.

This is one reason whenever I see an active duty guy/gal, I ALWAYS try to greet them and say thank you for what they're doing.

When I see a WW2 or Korean vet, I do the same.

No GI will be mistreated if I'm around to prevent it.

 

[depicts]

Pilgrim, you're just a higher target than I am.