The NRA is right. Eddie Eagle does save kids.

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De Washington Post, Monday, July 24, 2023.

Children were safer around guns after watching a 1-minute video​

By Erin Blakemore
July 23, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EDT

Researchers observed children's behavior after they were randomly assigned to watch either a video on gun safety or car safety. (iStock)



Could a short video save lives?
That’s the implication of a new analysis published in JAMA Pediatrics, which observed children’s behaviors after they watched a brief gun-safety video.

In the study, researchers at Ohio State University investigated whether safety videos could decrease children’s unsafe behaviors around guns — a timely topic given that firearms are the leading cause of death among U.S. children ages 1 through 17. They had 226 8-to-12-year-olds watch either a randomly assigned, minute-long gun-safety or car-safety video at home.

A week later, the kids were paired up in the lab and shown 20 minutes of a violent PG-rated movie with or without guns. After that, the children were left in another room with toys and games — and two unloaded and disabled 9mm handguns hidden in a file cabinet drawer. The guns were real but had been modified so they couldn’t fire, and they had been tricked out with a sensor that counted the number of times a trigger was pulled with sufficient force to discharge the gun. The children were told to play with whatever they wanted, then left alone for 20 minutes while a hidden camera recorded their actions.


Although the guns were out of sight, that didn’t stop the preteens from finding them: 216 kids, or 95.6 percent of them, discovered the firearms. Watching the video appeared to affect what the kids did next. Preteens who had seen the gun-safety video were much likelier to tell an adult they had found a gun: 33.9 percent of those who watched the gun-safety video told an adult vs. 10.6 percent of those who had watched the car-safety video.
Over half of the children ended up handling the guns, touching them for an average of one minute and nine seconds. Trigger sensors recorded that about 9 percent of those who had watched the gun-safety video and found the guns pulled the trigger, compared to 29.8 percent of the others.
Overall, the researchers write, the children pulled the triggers 1,222 times — and in 34.4 percent of those trigger pulls, children either pointed the disabled guns at themselves or at the other child in the room.


Being male, consuming more age-inappropriate movies and reporting higher interest in guns were all associated with more gun handling and trigger pulls. Living in a home with guns, taking a previous gun-safety course and reporting negative attitudes toward guns were associated with safer behavior.
The researchers cite the content of the gun-safety video, which featured a uniformed police officer, as a possible reason for its effectiveness. Children find uniformed authority figures persuasive, they write, suggesting that law enforcement get involved in promoting safe gun behavior for children.
Most parents and guardians in the study thought their child would be safe around guns, the researchers write. Yet fewer than a quarter total told the adults they had found a gun, while more than half touched the firearms.
“We recommend that adults teach children about gun safety and reduce their exposure to age-inappropriate media,” the researchers write. “It is well past time for the U.S. to also take steps to reduce firearm-related injuries in children and adolescents.”

 
We donated the materials to the elementary schools my kids attended for several years. They will not give you a discount.

The teachers were appreciative and thought the materials effective.
 
Joe Biden and his entire administration are responsible for how many childrens deaths this year alone? And the response is he’s a great guy we need to vote for him again.
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Of the ~500 comments on WaPo, the "just ban guns" comments are frequent, as you might expect. as are those flaming NRA & GOP, racism & guns, etc. Evidence-driven approaches to reducing accidental child shootings are not “Common Sense" to these people, as they are not more restrictive gun laws.


ABC’s story about accidental child shootings notes the statistic appears to be flat at about 1 per day since 2015, quoting Everytown’s data, yet Everytown and Giffords claim how striking effective gun storage laws are in reducing such shootings. Neither these gun control organizations or a leading academic, claiming efficacy of gun storage laws address why the laws are so very effective but don’t alter the raw numbers - no doubt their fancy statistics show the laws work. ABC does not address the discrepancy and there are no comment options for the article.

"Several states have recently passed secure-storage laws, which research shows make a huge difference in saving children's lives," Burd-Sharps said. "And the hope is that as these laws are passed, these unintentional shootings by children will continue to go down."

Child access prevention and safe storage laws are "incredibly effective" in curbing gun deaths in children and teens, according to the Giffords Law Center, an anti-gun violence nonprofit started by former Rep. Gabby Giffords after she was shot in January 2011.

"The general idea is that it is the legal responsibility of gun owners to secure their gun so that they're inaccessible to underage youth," Daniel Webster, the director of the Gun Policy and Research Center at Johns Hopkins University, told ABC News…"These laws lead to fewer unintentional shootings of children.”


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The senior author, Brad Bushman, is no friend of the 2ndA, having worked on Obama’s gun committee, but appears to have “followed-the-data” on this research, which was listed on the USG clinical trials site. In such studies, one has to disclose the experimental design and hypothesis prior to executing the study, to prevent “p-harvesting” of data after the fact. He’s taken heat for not being adequately anti-gun in the past. Altogether, honest research may reveal better solutions to our violent society than more guns laws.


[EDIT] The journal actually published my comment and I wrote the author - wonder what he’ll say?

 
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Gutowski interviewed the lead author (not the senior author - just the PhD candidate who did the grunt work) on his The Reload podcast. It came out that:

1. The same senior author (and others) had done studies showing Eddie Eagle was marginally effective, perhaps due to the longer cartoon format
2. Children from gun owning families handled guns less and pulled the trigger fewer times, suggesting parental education by gun owners has useful effect.

The lead author is a Norwegian who lost sight of the fact that Americans are less likely to store guns owned for self-defense unloaded, but admitted to Gutowski that limiting gun accessibility by children is certainly important.

Gutowski noted the paper conflates accidental child shootings and suicides/murders in “children” up to 19 years of age. Not surprising - I’ve rejected manuscripts that failed to find effectiveness of gun laws that then proposed that more rigorous studies would have likely proven them effective. Those papers do get published somewhere…

 
De Washington Post, Monday, July 24, 2023.

In the study, researchers at Ohio State University investigated whether safety videos could decrease children’s unsafe behaviors around guns — a timely topic given that firearms are the leading cause of death among U.S. children ages 1 through 17.


From my reading of the study results, the bolded part is a blatant lie:

From the study's summary:

Because peer countries’ mortality data are not available for children ages 1-17 years old alone, we group firearm mortality data for teens ages 18 and 19 years old with data for children ages 1-17 years old in all countries for a direct comparison.
 
From my reading of the study results, the bolded part is a blatant lie:

From the study's summary:

Because peer countries’ mortality data are not available for children ages 1-17 years old alone, we group firearm mortality data for teens ages 18 and 19 years old with data for children ages 1-17 years old in all countries for a direct comparison.
That’s WaPo conflating homicides/suicides with accidental child shootings to try and achieve relevance for their own article. The study conflates these in their introduction as well, but not as part of their study.

In any case, if WaPo is making a case for broader child gun safety education, that’s fine, assuming it’s offered properly. Schools could simply send an email to parents offering links to resources on pool safety, home chemical and drug safety, car safety and gun safety without intrusion into privacy. Were the video to be offered in schools, I’d expect many to have an “opt out” waiver, with anti-gun parents complaining about exposing their kids to guns and opting out.
 
That’s WaPo conflating homicides/suicides with accidental child shootings to try and achieve relevance for their own article. The study conflates these in their introduction as well, but not as part of their study.

In any case, if WaPo is making a case for broader child gun safety education, that’s fine, assuming it’s offered properly. Schools could simply send an email to parents offering links to resources on pool safety, home chemical and drug safety, car safety and gun safety without intrusion into privacy. Were the video to be offered in schools, I’d expect many to have an “opt out” waiver, with anti-gun parents complaining about exposing their kids to guns and opting out.

I run across news stories often where the main argument is easily refuted by actually reading studies or documents listed in the article itself. I'm just indignant and amazed at how lazy both the media and people that still believe a single word they say are.
 
I run across news stories often where the main argument is easily refuted by actually reading studies or documents listed in the article itself. I'm just indignant and amazed at how lazy both the media and people that still believe a single word they say are.
 
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