This.
Also helps to bring up Columbine. 10rd mags were used. Lots of them.
Virginia Tech also
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This.
Also helps to bring up Columbine. 10rd mags were used. Lots of them.
Virginia Tech also
Every been to a break in progress? Any open door calls? Any calls about guys waving guns at people in M/V and driving away? How about shooting victims? How about the next time some nut take ANY weapons (knife, stick, firearm) and starts killing people, you going to get in your pick up and drive there? When you start going to these calls and are willing to do it with 6 rds or 7 rds THEN you can advocate the guys who do go have the same. Some reason the fact that LEOS go TOWARDS the fighting EVERYDAY (depending on town) gets lost in the sauce. So the next time someone shoots up a school come on down and give us a hand with clearing the halls, then I'll personally give you the same size mags and weapons LEOS carry.
LEOs have voluntarily entered into that occupation. It's not like they were drafted, and handed a gun, and told, "GO!".
If a cop has to have a "big" magazine to protect him/herself from the bad guys, that they volunteered to fight, why should a non-cop be different. After all, a cop can call for backup more easily than a "regular" person.
Oh....since you put "(depending on [sic] town)" , are you saying that only in places where they "go TOWARDS the fighting EVERYDAY [sic]" that only cops in those locales should have lots of ammo, and the ones in more peaceful places can go back to six-shooters?
Next time a cop shoots a guy, face down, on his own floor, in the back, with a rifle, will you publicly call for the police officer's name to be released (as would that of any other citizen), and that he be held to the same level of scrutiny?
Or are cops more equal?
They won't be happy until all that's legal is muzzle loading black powder muskets.
Sure LEOS sign up for it. They don't sign up to die though. And what happens to the victim when cop runs out of ammo because he only has 18 rds? Or gets killed because he's reloading and the bad guy has 30rd magazines? Argument doesn't hold water. The only reason people bring up the LEO vs. citizens with mags is like saying "I can't have it then neither can you! NAH (insert stuck out tongue)". Most poeple realize LEOs are there to fight bad guys. Average joes dont' (they shouldn't have to). Do you advocate sending troops overseas with 10 rd mags? Just to prove a point? They are no more special then LEOS, they are citizens defending other citizens. And the reason I said depending on the town/city is because not every day does something crazy happen in certain towns. But again it can at any point in time. Insert that quote about needing it and not having it or having it and not needing it here.
And "guys getting shot in back while face down" or w/e your talking about is NOT what this thread or anyone on here as been talking about.
From a sheer tactical standpoint LEOs need that stuff because bad guys have it. So my statement from before still stands.
no they won't be happy until we have to club each other to death, it is so much more humane.
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maybe the leo should carry more than a revolver with 2 speed loaders, oh and we shouldn't be sending troops overseas willy nilly like we do.
Sure LEOS sign up for it. They don't sign up to die though. And what happens to the victim when cop runs out of ammo because he only has 18 rds? Or gets killed because he's reloading and the bad guy has 30rd magazines? Argument doesn't hold water. The only reason people bring up the LEO vs. citizens with mags is like saying "I can't have it then neither can you! NAH (insert stuck out tongue)". Most poeple realize LEOs are there to fight bad guys. Average joes dont' (they shouldn't have to). Do you advocate sending troops overseas with 10 rd mags? Just to prove a point? They are no more special then LEOS, they are citizens defending other citizens. And the reason I said depending on the town/city is because not every day does something crazy happen in certain towns. But again it can at any point in time. Insert that quote about needing it and not having it or having it and not needing it here.
And "guys getting shot in back while face down" or w/e your talking about is NOT what this thread or anyone on here as been talking about.
From a sheer tactical standpoint LEOs need that stuff because bad guys have it. So my statement from before still stands.
Ya, LEOs with tons of backup need more firepower than the lone civilian? Give me break. Your posts make me sick to my stomach.
By a large majority, police, around the country, favor disarming citizens. Police abuse is widespread and well documented, the idea that LEOs are simply "citizens defending other citizens" is beyond naive.
so why should non leos be limited to sub standard capacity magazines, you have a direct line to help that make take a few minutes where I will need to go to a third party and it wil add time to the arrival of help?Tons of backup that can be minutes away when seconds count. Your opinion on Police is your opinion and "well documented". Doesn't change anything I've said. And if you pose the question and the idea as I put it in my post, anybody but someone who just hates LEOs would agree it isn't worth LEOs or MORE IMPORTANT, victims dying to prove a point. But we can agree to disagree.
so why should non leos be limited to sub standard capacity magazines, you have a direct line to help that make take a few minutes where I will need to go to a third party and it wil add time to the arrival of help?
So the next time someone shoots up a school come on down and give us a hand with clearing the halls, then I'll personally give you the same size mags and weapons LEOS carry.
Every been to a break in progress? Any open door calls? Any calls about guys waving guns at people in M/V and driving away? How about shooting victims? How about the next time some nut take ANY weapons (knife, stick, firearm) and starts killing people, you going to get in your pick up and drive there? When you start going to these calls and are willing to do it with 6 rds or 7 rds THEN you can advocate the guys who do go have the same. Some reason the fact that LEOS go TOWARDS the fighting EVERYDAY (depending on town) gets lost in the sauce. So the next time someone shoots up a school come on down and give us a hand with clearing the halls, then I'll personally give you the same size mags and weapons LEOS carry.
Why not just advocate for their possession of them in the first place, then you can keep yours.
PrimusTactical;30252 but I won't turn my (duty) stuff in and get myself or others hurt if they are too dumb to pass good laws.[/QUOTE said:Isn't that exactly the same thing lawful citizens are saying?
That they won't turn their private propety in to decrease their survivability rate should the worst case scenario happen?
Yes, yes, yes and yes, and I did it long before you were probably born and with a 6 round revolver. Speed loaders were still new to the market and not issued. Shotguns were in every other car and bullet proof vests were unheard of in the majority of police departments.
You're by far not the first or only person who's ever wore a badge in this life and you're not going to be the last either. You act and speak as if the job of police officer is somthing that was just invented the day you stepped into the career.
I'd gladly come give you a hand clearing a school but I'd more than likely be shot on approach by some trigger happy roid head if I were carrying a gun in plain sight.
Get over yourself, you're not the world's savior or even a good facimilie.
then the logical conclusion is to not arrest people because they have a magazine that contains over some arbitrary number that was manufactured after some arbitrary date?Never said I didn't. I'm saying I can advocate all I want, but I won't turn my duty stuff in and get myself or others hurt if they are too dumb to pass good laws.
Every been to a break in progress? Any open door calls?
Any calls about guys waving guns at people in M/V and driving away? How about shooting victims? How about the next time some nut take ANY weapons (knife, stick, firearm) and starts killing people, you going to get in your pick up and drive there?
When you start going to these calls and are willing to do it with 6 rds or 7 rds THEN you can advocate the guys who do go have the same.
Some reason the fact that LEOS go TOWARDS the fighting EVERYDAY (depending on town) gets lost in the sauce. So the next time someone shoots up a school come on down and give us a hand with clearing the halls, then I'll personally give you the same size mags and weapons LEOS carry.
then the logical conclusion is to not arrest people because they have a magazine that contains over some arbitrary number that was manufactured after some arbitrary date?
Well said. I'm far from anyones savior and have invented nothing at all. But everything I've said has been facts. And if you ever did the job youd agree to all the scenarios I've given. Even if you dislike me, doesn't make things I say untruthful....
No, but you live and breathe a double standard by thinking that nobody else is or should be entitled to the same treatment or protections under the law as police officers.
Any exemptions in any laws that place police officers above the average citizen are wrong and devicive. They set up a two tiered system of justice in which the average citizen who foots the bills for this whole societal charade is placed at the bottom of the heap.
Your life isn't worth a bent nickel more than mine or anyone elses and your ability to access assistance is far better and faster than that of the average joe walking down the street in the bad part of town or anywhere for that matter. The necessity for a larger capacity magazine is universal. If the bad guy has them, he doesn't beg permission or kiss someone's ass to have them, he just has them and doesn't give a rats ass what anyone thinks or says.
Placing a restriction on my ability to obtain or keep them is totally unacceptable. Placing that same restriction on my ability to obtain and keep them while making an exception for someone who has no duty to protect me is just pure insult added to injury. I don't accept it and I will never abide by it no matter the consequence.
So the next time someone shoots up a school come on down and give us a hand with clearing the halls, then I'll personally give you the same size mags and weapons LEOS carry.
Their logic isn't flawed, they just choose to play stupid and dance around what they really want because they know they can't have it (yet).I can't seem to figure out how liberals are so ****ing retarded that they can't understand how flawed their logic is.....I dont get it
Sure LEOS sign up for it. They don't sign up to die though. And what happens to the victim when cop runs out of ammo because he only has 18 rds? Or gets killed because he's reloading and the bad guy has 30rd magazines? Argument doesn't hold water. The only reason people bring up the LEO vs. citizens with mags is like saying "I can't have it then neither can you! NAH (insert stuck out tongue)". Most poeple realize LEOs are there to fight bad guys. Average joes dont' (they shouldn't have to). Do you advocate sending troops overseas with 10 rd mags? Just to prove a point? They are no more special then LEOS, they are citizens defending other citizens. And the reason I said depending on the town/city is because not every day does something crazy happen in certain towns. But again it can at any point in time. Insert that quote about needing it and not having it or having it and not needing it here.
And "guys getting shot in back while face down" or w/e your talking about is NOT what this thread or anyone on here as been talking about.
From a sheer tactical standpoint LEOs need that stuff because bad guys have it. So my statement from before still stands.