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Report: Capitol cop who shot Babbitt is in hiding - 'The story of who he is and why he opened fire remains shrouded in mystery'

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This wasn't that guy's house. If he was a trained security person, he should be held to a higher standard than a civilian in their home.

The most troublesome part of the video for me is that he is hiding to the side. It's an ambush IMO. The guy was a coward. Even if someone is breaking into my home (not a good comparison to a public building), I'm still not hiding and shooting them...I would be giving then fair warning that they better retreat or be prepared to pay the consequences.

Hopefully that coward rots from the inside out for his poor judgement. He is in the same class of scumbag as that New York cop that choked the huge black guy to death for selling loosies, IMO.

Don't disagree with you. Just pointing out that breaking into MY house IS a death sentence. I suspect most here feel this way.
 
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Duty to retreat in your home? GFY. You invade my HOME, I have a barrage of .45ACP breath mints coming your way. Duty to retreat in a workplace? Different animal. Hell, it isn't my stuff you're stealing. Don't threaten me and you can help yourself. Let the cops and insurance company sort that out.

I fail to see how the "duty to retreat" is any more than a straw man argument here. The guy is a (supposedly) trained law enforcement officer. There is a continuum of force that is escalated by the threat that is posed. This dickwad made a Kenyan leap over that continuum, going straight to SHOOT HER OMFG IM TERRIFIED FOR MUH SAFETY instead of telling her to yield and desist. I watched and listened to the videos. I heard NO verbal commands or orders. He remained out of her field of view and as one astute poster said earlier, f***in' AMBUSHED her. He didn't give a rat's fat ass about anyone in the background, about any visible weapons, about any articulable threats to his life or safety, he just popped her in the face. He panicked, and a girl died because of his panic. He is 1000 percent culpable for her death and the most pathetic and reprehensible thing about this TRAVESTY is that there is no outrage being screamed from the rooftops over the murder of this woman. He drew, aimed and fired. This is malice aforethought. This is first degree murder.
 
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Don't disagree with you. Just pointing out that breaking into MY house IS a death sentence. I suspect most here feel this way.
Yeah, my point was even in my house given the location scenario in the Capitol (i.e. intruder totally unaware of gun being pointed at them) I will be letting them know they are about to get ventilated, not hiding and using a potshot take them out. This also helps you avoid shooting someone you know in some crazy mix-up. It's not like this guy woke up to Babbitt standing over his bed with a knife in her hand.
 

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Buddy how about some equal treatment by the media or system. If she was black and the shooter was white the cop's name, address and family members would be all over every news station and news paper. The looting and calls for "justice" would begin. Literally right now Rittenhouse is about to be tried for murder for 1. Putting out a dumpster fire and 2. Shooting people who were attacking him AND armed. The level of hypocrisy in the media is disgusting.

I used to think the motto of the media was "print the news for clicks and views." But the more see the more I realize that we may be in the middle of a communist coup of America.
If she was a black conservative Republican it wouldn’t. You only matter to them if you’re a black liberal.
 

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The part that left a bad taste in my mouth on this one is she gets shot while there is a group of security right there next to her. If she was such a threat the guard on the stairs 3ft from her should have wrapped her up.

The video leading up to the confrontation shows an agitator reaching over armed security and punching the glass. He is literally punching over their shoulders to break the glass with no recourse. They simply move out of the way and I believe that's how security ended up just steps behind her. At least two tiers of security, if not three, let her(the group) get to that point, the fourth tier went full retard.

I get the people who say stupid games... but, she won the giant teddy bear and didn't knock over all the pins.
 

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Don't do stupid things, with stupid people in stupid places.

Ashli was the unfortunate victim of violating that truism. Did the officer reasonably fear for his life or the lives of the people he was supposed to protect?

Of course he did. Weapons aren't necessary when you are outnumbered 100 to 1.

I am generally sympathetic to the causes supported by the rioters. But I can't justify in any way their actions. They all chose to put themselves at risk.

When they got into the Capitol, if one had gone to the House chamber for and said "I am here to air grievances in accordance with my Constitutionally guaranteed right" and then read off a list of grievances, the assault on the Capitol could almost be justified.

Instead the rioters revealed their. true nature. A petulant mob. They defaced property. They looted. They behaved no better than the looters in the "mostly peaceful protests" this summer. Their behavior was an embarrassment for anyone who shares their political beliefs. It was sad.
 
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Did the officer reasonably fear for his life or the lives of the people he was supposed to protect?

Of course he did. Weapons aren't necessary when you are outnumbered 100 to 1.
So how does this not lay a foundation for police opening fire on a crowd who, say, knocks over one of those bicycle-rack barricades at some protest
err riot in the future? They're outnumbered after all. A barricade got knocked over, clearly a malicious and aggressive action. Or does a window need to be broken before the sentence is carried out? What exactly is the threshold that justifies putting a bullet into an unarmed woman?
 

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There was a million people there .
If they went there with ill intent there wouldn't be two bricks left together .
There wouldn't have been a damn thing that could have stopped them short of dropping a MOAB on the capital.
 

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Don't do stupid things, with stupid people in stupid places.

Ashli was the unfortunate victim of violating that truism. Did the officer reasonably fear for his life or the lives of the people he was supposed to protect?

Of course he did. Weapons aren't necessary when you are outnumbered 100 to 1.

I am generally sympathetic to the causes supported by the rioters. But I can't justify in any way their actions. They all chose to put themselves at risk.

When they got into the Capitol, if one had gone to the House chamber for and said "I am here to air grievances in accordance with my Constitutionally guaranteed right" and then read off a list of grievances, the assault on the Capitol could almost be justified.

Instead the rioters revealed their. true nature. A petulant mob. They defaced property. They looted. They behaved no better than the looters in the "mostly peaceful protests" this summer. Their behavior was an embarrassment for anyone who shares their political beliefs. It was sad.
You forgot to mention walking inside the ropes and picking up trash after themselves.
 

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I'm not apologizing for anything. I'm asking real simply, on a forum where people hate duty to retreat, why are we pretending like it should be a requirement here? Is it because we sympathize with the person who's been shot and wish to warp the standards to justify our mentality?
Cut the shit with the duty to retreat...The man who shot her committed murder and should be in jail. There was no need to shoot her, NONE.
Grab her and put her on the ground ! What was her treat to him, Did she have a weapon? The man is a f***ing coward.
 

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So how does this not lay a foundation for police opening fire on a crowd who, say, knocks over one of those bicycle-rack barricades at some protest
err riot in the future? They're outnumbered after all. A barricade got knocked over, clearly a malicious and aggressive action. Or does a window need to be broken before the sentence is carried out? What exactly is the threshold that justifies putting a bullet into an unarmed woman?
First of all, in your situation, the police can retreat without putting people's lives at risk.

In this case, retreating would have meant allowing a mob that looked hell bent on violence to "capture" the very people the Capitol Police were tasked with protecting. Remember that this happened while the house (or senate??) chamber was still filled with "traitors".
 
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