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Plaxico Burress Indicted on Weapons Charges
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He's screwed. I think he was used to being able to carry one legally, and didn't fully realize what a big deal it would be if he got caught in another state or let it expire. He made another dumb move by carrying a loaded pistol in his pants and not using a holster. I feel kinda bad for him in that he basically ruined his career, but it was his own fault.
Part of a broader problem of not approaching law enforcement or legislation from the perspective of protecting society that the charges are so severe....
That said, he did fire a gun in a night club, so some punitive response should be expected and is reasonable in principle.
That said, he did fire a gun in a night club, so some punitive response should be expected and is reasonable in principle.
Celebrities usually get off with a slap on the wrist. I expect that to be true here, in spite of the DA and Mayor wanting the guy's head on a pike!
I would expect a very high percentage of celebs carry in the "Big Apple" w/o permits.
I would expect a very high percentage of celebs carry in the "Big Apple" w/o permits.
Lets see... Guy carries a firearm for protection, he doesn't get good advice on how or where to carry it, he takes it with him to a location where because of his fame/notoriety he may actually need it to get back home safely, he has a ND and is now facing charges...all from being responsible for his own safety.
The result is he gets outted for carrying, has a severe physical injury and the talking heads get another footnote in their campaign against us. Yeah, maybe you are right, we should not care at all, nope not at all.
+1, if I interpret the above correctly.
We need to care. We need to do several things that show we care about such things: 1. Get more people to own, shoot, etc.; 2. Make darn sure that the people that do use firearms do so responsibly and safely. The more incidents like this occur, the more likely responsible users have their ability to legally own, shoot, carry, etc. infringed.
The news I've seen suggests he, if convicted on the charges, will get a MINMUM 3 and 1/2 years, and that there can be a plea agreement for him to get ONLY 2 years. Steep penalty for being an indiot, esp. when you consider that his years of making good money are limited.
Indeed, I could care less for the dumbass personally...
I am more concerned with the bigger picture of why we are trying to imprison people for decades who aren't an actual threat to society...
Again, I understand the negligence argument - for that perhaps he loses the right to carry and gets to pay a dumbass tax to everyone he put in danger that night, but what good will it do to stick him in a cage for years on end?
Much like Michael Vick? I mean, any other person would have been put on probation and not allowed to do anything around dogs. Many people have been caught dog fighting and I don't hear them being in jail for three years..
Yes, if we just let it go by the wayside...much like everything else we've done as a sport...the faster things get taken away.
The other side has campaigns all the time on public TV and Radio, it's pounded into kids and people all day!
Who does the same for us? We only see this stuff because we belong to the NRA or GOAL. We read the things that keep us understanding how important it is....then we sit back and just say, "It's the Second Amendment." And hide behind that thinking because SCOUTS said so, it can't go away.
We SHOULD care. And if you don't, then speak up because I want a finger to point to when we're stripped of more of our rights!
I have often wondered why the NRA doesn't do tv ads to counter some of the stuff being put out there by the OTHER side.
They can't compete with the liberal media's advertising budget...
They literally get paid to run anti-gun commentary by the actual advertisers...
The NRA would be buying time from them which would only feed their budget to "put stuff out there" to counter the NRA's message...
They also seem to sponsor more on the ground stuff than responding against the larger budgets. However, subject aside, it would make little sense for them to spend lots of member dollars in a market like New York, Boston, or Camden, N.J. where the return on that advertising dollar would be null.
You do see them on outdoor channels and other shows of the sort.
I honestly don't care much either, because he shouldn't need a permit or special permission to exercise his right. He gets charged under un-constitutional laws and we should support this? And we don't need the holster police telling people how to carry. Yep, he's a huge idiot but he just narrowly dodged natural selection.
IMO if he hurt someone else then it would be a crime. Being an idiot isn't criminal... yet.
Edit: the only charge that should stand IMO is the reckless endangerment. That doesn't really reflect on gunowners or guns, but anyone that puts people in harms way whether it be a weapon or not.
IMO if he hurt someone else then it would be a crime. Being an idiot isn't criminal... yet.
Edit: the only charge that should stand IMO is the reckless endangerment. That doesn't really reflect on gunowners or guns, but anyone that puts people in harms way whether it be a weapon or not.
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People look at dogs/cats as "members of the family". It was reported that dogs were KILLED if they couldn't fight to win, etc. That raises more hackles on people than someone who murders a person during an armed robbery. Hence, stiff penalties when they think that this guy might kill their Fido!
Try buying a pro-gun ad in the liberal MSM. Many won't even take your money. Others give cut-rate to the anti-groups (501c3, fraudulently list themselves as "education groups" to keep that status) but will stiff the pro-gun groups for "full boat" rates.
OK maybe i am naive but i did not realize all TV media was against us, i don't mean just here in MA, i mean the US as a whole. So your telling me not one media giant is on our side? What about the gun manufacturers? How about reaching out to some of the "stars" on our side to do free ads?
I think getting the message out to the people on the fence or the people who just don't think about it other than what they hear on the news, is one of the biggest steps that could be taken. Most importantly addressing the misinformation spewed by the other side. Even if they up their propaganda in response to our side, at lease our side will get out and people can make up their own minds. They way it is now they are only getting one side, the bad side.
Just My Opinion Of Course
I think getting the message out to the people on the fence or the people who just don't think about it other than what they hear on the news, is one of the biggest steps that could be taken. Most importantly addressing the misinformation spewed by the other side. Even if they up their propaganda in response to our side, at lease our side will get out and people can make up their own minds. They way it is now they are only getting one side, the bad side.
Just My Opinion Of Course
Very much so... So much so that they often don't realize they are taking sides (giving some of them the benefit of the doubt).
They exist in a culture of liberalism that is so pervasive amongst members of the media that I would be surprised if it is infrequent that they run into a peer that does not reinforce their generally liberal views...
If you hang around people who think like you often enough, you can forget that there are others that disagree...
As far as "stars" many/most of them are anti-gun and generally socialist...
There are exceptions, but they are just that... Exceptions...
All i can say is WOW!
What you say could be true and probably is taking into account what is not being done. But G.D. I find it hard to believe that none of the big media people, or the people around them, carry.
When i think of all the stars that get caught with illegal guns or who are just stupid with them, it makes me believe there has to be LEGAL gun owners among them. Some of whom may want to help like Charlton Heston, who was on our side.
WRT to stars:
Keep in mind that whether they carry or not is not a reflection on whether they think YOU have a right to carry...
As with examples of extremely "anti" politicians in California request concealed carry permits for "personal protection", they believe they are "the elite" and clearly they need to protect themselves...
very true.
For example - I am guessing Deval's security team is well armed...
Yet he wants to disarm all of us...
Why does he need any more protection than dialing 911 gets us lowly plebes?![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
Look at Rosie, she's gotting into fighting matches on things like David Letterman and the View with people that are pro gun. Yet, she's got armed security around her at all times.
It's everywhere like that...it's only OK when it serves them.
Still Big time Celeb. They wanted to make an example out of him...and they did. Like I said, if it was a general person...then the sentence wouldn't have been so bad. But because he WAS a well known person...it was worse.
I love it when people make that argument to me...
I ask: Ok, Mr. famous guy at more risk... How many times have you actually been assaulted?
None? Really... Gee... I guess that means I am at more risk than you because I got you beat!
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Then there is Jodi Foster, but whaddareyougonna do?
Then there is Jodi Foster, but whaddareyougonna do?
whats this? did i miss something that happened with her?
One of her stalkers, a man by the name of John Hinkley Jr., allegedly shot Reagan to prove his love for her...
As it turns out, he was just a plant by the Brady campaign to justify decades of 2nd amendment rights destruction...
Ahh, the 80's... Good times...
oh i remember that, i had never heard that angle before though.
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