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Is there anything we can do to help?
Reads like the same 'anti' playbook being employed by the troublemakers at Granby. Something smells fishy...
$150,000 later with a $50,000 reduction in fines if we didn't fight and bite the pillow we were set free from their orders.
Oh f***..Not sure if this is a dupe...
Full court press is on against Monadnock Rod and Gun...WTF?
Peterborough shooting club investigated for alleged wetlands violations
Whoa!!!! Damn!! That's like 6 pre-ban lowers in the classifieds.
Is that something title insurance could have helped with?
Not sure...I just saw this on WMUR a few minutes back. There are some members here that will probably pipe up. We have a member here "Monadnock" that is one.
According to the wetlands mapper from the Fish and Wildlife Services and google view, the wetlands runs to the west of their range by a considerable distance. A brook or stream does follow the range and curve back in, but that curvature happens after the backstop.
This looks like a fishing expedition.
No. Like I said DEP does comparisons and overlays all the time. They showed me the file. We got caught fair and square for digging a pond without a permit in a wetland. f***ing Google logos were all over the file.Whoa!!!! Damn!! That's like 6 pre-ban lowers in the classifieds.
Is that something title insurance could have helped with?
No. Like I said DEP does comparisons and overlays all the time. They showed me the file. We got caught fair and square for digging a pond without a permit in a wetland. f***ing Google logos were all over the file.
Absolutely looking.So Big Brother is watching, and his name rhymes with Google...
Did you at least get to keep the pond? or did you have to restore the wet lands ?No. Like I said DEP does comparisons and overlays all the time. They showed me the file. We got caught fair and square for digging a pond without a permit in a wetland. f***ing Google logos were all over the file.
Nobody from the club should discuss anything about this. Their lawyers will tell them to STFU and let the lawyers do the talking.
It was saved with changes. Funny part is we have less wildlife now. The mud that was allowed to run off legally was insane not to mention the fish kill. Actually we never really got the fish back after the changes.Did you at least get to keep the pond? or did you have to restore the wet lands ?
Absolutely looking.
My story is the real deal and I was the contact person. This is not a “friend of a friend who read it on the internet” story.
The file is rather large in my office. The threats were real and it could have gone well near 7 figures with the daily fines. These guys don’t screw around. If we added lawyers it would have only got more expensive.
I know a place in Maine that suffered the same issues but it was not a pond. I interviewed with them.
That's crazy, I had no idea they did this, but here it is, in black and white, and this is from 15 years ago:Absolutely looking.
My story is the real deal and I was the contact person. This is not a “friend of a friend who read it on the internet” story.
The file is rather large in my office. The threats were real and it could have gone well near 7 figures with the daily fines. These guys don’t screw around. If we added lawyers it would have only got more expensive.
I know a place in Maine that suffered the same issues but it was not a pond. I interviewed with them.
Wetlands Reconnaissance Project: In January 2003, DEP, assisted by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), developed a new semi-automated computer method that allowed for efficient analysis of all wetland alterations in the state. The process analyzes overlays of color digital orthophoto maps to identify all wetlands fill larger than ¼ acre in size. This is the first high-resolution systematic computerized analysis in the country for identification of wetlands loss in a state, and allows photo-analysts to readily identify wetlands filling since the previous aerial photos were taken. Identifying wetlands alterations on desktop computers is an efficient way to identify possible violations. DEP is using this information to target its compliance and enforcement efforts.
In June 2004, DEP mailed CDs to 225 communities in its northeast, southeast, and central regions. The CDs contain a set of Wetlands Loss maps, supporting information on how to use the GIS files included for the maps, and tables for each town that give specific wetlands loss information in the community.
They watched us for a while. I’m sure of it.That's crazy, I had no idea they did this, but here it is, in black and white, and this is from 15 years ago:
Source: https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2016/08/pz/wenfman.pdf
I’d be happy to take this offline with you for a face to face on site if you wish.Holy crap...
Nothing started yet but we have well formed plans and were in the middle of permitting some range improvements before I inherited range responsibility at my local club. This heavy-handed letter agency crap seems like a nightmare. I'll learn more at the next meeting, and once I have a better understanding of the situation I may reach out to you offline for some pointers if it's no trouble. At least in our case there's no change in land footprint but one of the things that tripped up my other club Granby was the pavilion / cover. They rectified the minor issue right away last fall, and last I heard the town still has not reinspected. Coming up on a year now.
Ranges in the Northeast are facing a systematic attack. I don't know if it's simply a collection of individuals who research what others have done and apply the same tactics, or if there are more organized resources to help the antis try to shut down a range. Add up all the activity within the last 24 months and the trend is significant. No, it's nothing new but the frequency is alarming.