Yeah, but because it's 9mm and not .380, they adjust the size and weight for inflation stopping power.For you guys pushing the Glock G43, it is like night and day on the size difference, and half the weight:
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Yeah, but because it's 9mm and not .380, they adjust the size and weight for inflation stopping power.For you guys pushing the Glock G43, it is like night and day on the size difference, and half the weight:
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You my friend might be the perfect applicant for "The Gun Diaper" aka Thunderwear...
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Now compare it with p365.For you guys pushing the Glock G43, it is like night and day on the size difference, and half the weight:
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I have a 43x with a red dot. It’s a good gun, but not a pocket gun like a Kahr PM9. It’s a bit bigger than a Kahr K9, which also isn’t a pocket gun. For me, the 43x is a gun I carry in a belt holster. It is noticeably easier to conceal that my 19.. That said. I'm thinking a 43x with a red dot may be in my future. Even though. I really like the LC9 feel.
Close. Lighten that thing up a bit (alloy?), and it would be a contender.Sig P238? too heavy?
wtf I checked Sig's site and they only list one model of this, a two-tone CA compliant version that's absolutely hideous. maybe there are some nice-looking used ones out there?
Still no contest with the P3AT.Now compare it with p365.
I think the P3AT is the lightest semi-auto you'll find in the .380 category. I have one, it's not the most refined piece, but for me it works flawlessly, and with a belt clip, you can carry it your boxer shorts un-noticed.Close. Lighten that thing up a bit (alloy?), and it would be a contender.
Still no contest with the P3AT.
I was looking for one. Tough to find used, and for the new price, I could just get a .38 while I'm at it.for pocket carry coyote defense an 8 shot .22 mag Ruger LCR would be about perfect. Coyote's aren't that tough and .22 mag will more than do the job. Even an 8 or 10 shot .22LR would be fine really.
Not bad.Consider the relatively new Ruger LCP MAX 380.
You're sending mixed signals by posting pics of shoulder rigs and talking about packs etc.For you guys pushing the Glock G43, it is like night and day on the size difference, and half the weight:
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No, still on the same path/mission. If I can't find a pocket gun that will do, then maybe abandon that idea and go for a different means of carry, and carry a gun I already have that way instead.You're sending mixed signals by posting pics of shoulder rigs and talking about packs etc.
I bought a 642 as well to try pocket carrying it and it just didn’t work for me either. I have to imagine it all depends on what kind of pants your wearing as well. I wear Levi’s and they have medium depth pockets and the revolver patterned to much for me to be comfortable with it. If I wore cargo type pants with deep loose pockets I would bet the 642 would pocket just fine.
No, still on the same path/mission. If I can't find a pocket gun that will do, then maybe abandon that idea and go for a different means of carry, and carry a gun I already have that way instead.
I can't be the only one in this situation.
I know, but it was the right size and weight. Not much else fitting those specs that I've seen. I was actually surprised, and did not want to like it. If it were 9mm, I'd own it right now.The BG 380 is literally the worst gun S&W makes. It has a cult following though, mostly among "smith people".
In that case, the HPG kit bags are available as either a chest pack or waist pack. You can carry a full frame pistol in the back, and your phone and keys in the front.No, still on the same path/mission. If I can't find a pocket gun that will do, then maybe abandon that idea and go for a different means of carry, and carry a gun I already have that way instead.
I can't be the only one in this situation.
What screams harder 'I HAVE A GUN IN HERE' than a fanny pack? Think we just found it. lol.In that case, the HPG kit bags are available as either a chest pack or waist pack. You can carry a full frame pistol in the back, and your phone and keys in the front.
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In that case, the HPG kit bags are available as either a chest pack or waist pack. You can carry a full frame pistol in the back, and your phone and keys in the front.
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Not as much as the shoulder holsters. Plus, not too many will see it (7 people?), and of THOSE, even fewer would know (2 people), and of THOSE, even fewer would CARE (1 person), and of even fewer (0?) would even think to act or do anything. That's on a busy day there.What screams harder 'I HAVE A GUN IN HERE' than a fanny pack? Think we just found it. lol.
Wait till you shoot one though. I'd let you try mine but I sold it quickly because it sucks. Get a LCP max 380.I know, but it was the right size and weight. Not much else fitting those specs that I've seen. I was actually surprised, and did not want to like it. If it were 9mm, I'd own it right now.
Yup. It's the 2" of travel on a 10-11 lb DAO trigger with no wall .. and I struggle to find any scenario where most people could accurately shoot it outside of 3 yards under duress. There are so many more options now than a BG, even as far as the mouse guns go. The late 2010s and 2020s are the "era of the subcompact."Bodyguard 380 is not a coyote defense gun, it's a stick it under bad guys ribs and pull the trigger gun for most anyone I've seen shoot one besides Jerry Miculek. They are one of the hardest .380's to shoot accurately. I have one and I put everything from Galloway precision into it and a set of XS big dots and I can shoot it ok set up like that, but for the amount of money I have into it, it was mostly an exercise in morbid curiosity than anything. If you are really worried about coyote's, they are small and fast, you need something you can be accurate with. I love the original bodyguard and 638 revolver, smooth out of the pocket but you can still cock the hammer and be accurate with it. The single action trigger on them is very good and I often shoot mine out to absolutely ridiculous distances for such a small revolver. Only downside to .38 right now is ammo is scarce as hell if you don't reload.
I've had a couple J-frames. I replaced the strings and polished the rebound slide. It helped, but I still think the result isn't great. I've got K-frames with outstanding triggers, but the J-frames weren't as good. YMMV.The trick with the 642 is to sit with it watching TV and dry fire the crap out of it. After a few thousand pulls the trigger smooths out and the pull becomes very crisp. If you go In that direction just follow that.
At this point, I'm thinking you would not even need a hit. Just the noise would probably scatter them. Too bad firecrackers are illegal in MA.I forgot what OP was originally thinking of using a handgun for, which is to incapacitate aggressive coyotes. Micro guns aren't for this job. Multiple, fast moving targets? 6 rds of 380 in a mouse gun is not very effective for the intended purpose. I'm thinking double stack 9mm if he still wants a compact gun. G19 with a 15 shot mag and modern JHPs sounds like a good idea.