NH HB687 Red Flag Gun Confiscation bill vote scheduled for 1/8 or 1/9/2020"

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This will end up being a nationwide thing, unfortunately. They’re digging for anything just to say that they’re trying to stop these active shooter events, and of course it’s us that will pay the price, not the criminals, not the mentally deranged or freakshows of FB.

20.00 bucks says this will be nationwide SOP within 2 yrs.
This is nothing more that legalizing SWATTING. It's to keep the cops and lefties protected, not you. If you dare defend yourself, they have every right to murder you, and then get to claim "see? he was crazy!". And the DA will call the murder "justified".
 

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Would they arrest you for not turning them all over ? After all they do have a record of what you own legaly
In MA they would arrest you under C. 269 S. 10. In NH (this thread) it depends on what the law says if/when passed. And in both states they do NOT have a record of what you currently own legally!

But you have done them. Do you live under a rock?[laugh2] Unless you buy all your guns used from the back of van down by the river. You filled out a 4473
4473s are ONLY filled out when doing a transfer thru an FFL, not for private transfers. So no, they don't have 4473s for every gun a person owns in most cases.
 

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But you have done them. Do you live under a rock?[laugh2] Unless you buy all your guns used from the back of van down by the river. You filled out a 4473
Sure, I have done them. For new gun purchases from a dealer. Not for private sales between myself and another NH resident, nor for firearms that were purchased prior to 1968. Many of the firearms I have here have never been 4473ed. So, what's your point? You are incorrect in your assumptions.
 

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In MA they would arrest you under C. 269 S. 10. In NH (this thread) it depends on what the law says if/when passed. And in both states they do NOT have a record of what you currently own legally!


4473s are ONLY filled out when doing a transfer thru an FFL, not for private transfers. So no, they don't have 4473s for every gun a person owns in most cases.
Len, he has been told this several times, yet, can't grasp/understand the concept.
 

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I am guessing you know this already but for clarification the ATF does not have the 4473's. The dealers keep them. If a firearm is used and or recovered from a crime scene the PD will call the ATF for a trace. At which point the ATF will contact the FFL. In the video you posted those containers full of 4473's are from dealers no longer in business.
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In MA they would arrest you under C. 269 S. 10. In NH (this thread) it depends on what the law says if/when passed. And in both states they do NOT have a record of what you currently own legally!


4473s are ONLY filled out when doing a transfer thru an FFL, not for private transfers. So no, they don't have 4473s for every gun a person owns in most cases.
I get all the private sales stuff etc.. .. However, IF the ATF wanted to they could look back and find out, who owns a/the gun. I know there are all laws that prevent them from doing so unless it's used in a crime. Importer/Manufacturer - Wholesaler - Retail Gun Dealer- Owner. Thats the path they will follow. They also have the old yellow forms on microfilm.
 
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I get all the private sales stuff etc.. .. However, IF the ATF wanted to they could look back and find out, who owns a/the gun. I know there are all laws that prevent them from doing so unless it's used in a crime. Importer/Manufacturer - Wholesaler - Retail Gun Dealer- Owner. Thats the path they will follow. They also have the old yellow forms on microfilm.

There is no way they would be aware of what a person has as the data is not put together by name, but Importer/Manufacturer and serial number. The trail will stop at the first owner that buys the firearm from the FFL, as no one is required to keep a record of how they sell to in private sale. So the Government will not spend the time trying to look up all that a person might own. In fact in Mass. the files at FRB are so screwed up (and they know it), I doubt they will push too hard, as they don't want get called out for poor record keeping. Remember the Dept. of Public Safety in that state is having some real credibility issues right now.
 

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If it passes, I hope the first red flag order executed is on that shrill witch from Dover, Rep Frost. She has publicly stated she is homicidal towards men. Since she supports this bill she should have no issue with a SWAT team at her front door.
 

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2 pages and no one has a bill number?

Maybe because it doesnt appear to exist yet afaict

Red Flag Bill Submitted in New Hampshire ~ VIDEO

Links to: http://bills.nhha.org/ which lists the statist dem Rep. Debra Altschiller as the sponsor

But Gencourt has no such bill listed with her as sponsor
That is because the bill text is not yet available. It is still an LSR at the time of this post. Either legislative services/legislative IT became retards when the dems took over and can't get bill text to the public in a timely manner (pretty sure all bills had text publicly available by at this point in previous sessions) or it is purposely being withheld from the public for as long as possible to prevent us from rallying against it and mobilizing until it is too late.

This link should update with the bill number when it is available.

LSR# 2019-0007 - relative to extreme risk protection orders.
 
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I spoke with the attorneys that draft the bills and she came in on the very last day to sign off the bill and asked for a complete rewrite....
 
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I suspect that we will see a bill by the end of next week. The bill needs to be drafted, reviewed, sent to the speaker for a committee assignment, sent to the house clerk to be published.
 
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This bill creates a storage fee program that could and most likely ending up costing the accused party (Respondent) more money than he or she can afford to get the firearms back thus losing then to the storage facility. This has caused some severe hardships in Mass.
 
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Trying to see what has changed from the existing protective order. But just to start off, III h, j, l,... seems like any one could get into trouble for doing no harm, like shooting a gun you just bought today, 299 feet away from a dwelling, would be unlawful.
 

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Taken from another thread here

Thousands of dads are left in shock as DIY paternity tests soar

20-30% of children are fathered by someone other than the man who's been told he was the father..........demonstrates a pattern of deceptive/dishonest behavior

Taken in context along with known abuse of false dv charges which are regularly used as a tactic in divorce/custody proceedings and we have every reason to believe that red flag laws will be used in the same manner

False Allegations of Domestic Violence: More Common Than You Think

Costs the state
Costs taxpayers
Costs the accused massive $$ to defend against with no evidence and no crime actually having been committed.......dont get me started on due process
Then there's the impact on reputation, employment etc.......

Bad bill
 

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Holy horse shit......looks like it was written by soros/bloomberg and co
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was!

Taken from another thread here

Thousands of dads are left in shock as DIY paternity tests soar

20-30% of children are fathered by someone other than the man who's been told he was the father..........demonstrates a pattern of deceptive/dishonest behavior

Taken in context along with known abuse of false dv charges which are regularly used as a tactic in divorce/custody proceedings and we have every reason to believe that red flag laws will be used in the same manner

False Allegations of Domestic Violence: More Common Than You Think

Costs the state
Costs taxpayers
Costs the accused massive $$ to defend against with no evidence and no crime actually having been committed.......dont get me started on due process
Then there's the impact on reputation, employment etc.......

Bad bill
You can bet the farm that it will be abused more often than not.
 

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Dear Representatives and Senators,

As sponsors of House Bill HB-687-FN “AN ACT relative to extreme risk protection orders” you should be aware of the published study by Dr John Lott, PhD, that finds “Red flag laws had no significant effect on murder, suicide, the number of people killed in mass public shootings, robbery, aggravated assault, or burglary. There is some evidence that rape rates rise.” This study of States that have already enacted Red Flag Laws demonstrates that such laws are ineffective and, in fact, counterproductive. Further, any such law lacking Due Process is offensive to a US Citizen’s civil rights. I strongly urge you to withdraw your sponsorship and resist jumping on the bandwagon supporting “feel good” laws that do not address criminal violence.

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Do Red Flag Laws Save Lives or Reduce Crime? by John R. Lott, Carlisle E. Moody :: SSRN
 

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HB 687, the gun confiscation bill is as bad as we predicted and then some. Here’s a list of the worst of the worst:
  • A family member or law enforcement officer (including Conservation Officers) can ask a judge (without you even present) to issue a gun confiscation order that the sponsors call an “Extreme Risk Protection Order” which can even be issued by telephone;
  • Brandishing a weapon is one of the many reasons that such an order can be issued. Since anti-gun Conservation Officers are already claiming that carrying a gun in the woods is evidence of poaching, it won’t be long before they start telling the courts that openly carrying a gun is brandishing and cause for a gun confiscation order to be issued;
  • Another “reason” for a court to issue such an order is: “Evidence of recent acquisition of firearms or ammunition…”, Wow, exercising your Second Amendment rights is a reason to have your Second Amendment rights taken away!
  • You will be ordered, by a court, to surrender your guns and ammunition. And if you don’t, the police will get a search warrant and seize them. When this happened to a Maryland gun owner he ended up dead;
  • The police can charge you to store your own property and they can even transfer your firearms to a licensed gun dealer for storage at your expense;
  • The “authorities” can NOT be held liable for any damage to your firearms;
  • In order to vacate (cancel the order) you will be forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars on attorneys and experts so even if you win, you lose.
 

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Sponsor public contact info from gencourt

Representative Debra Altschiller (d)
Rockingham- District 19
Seat #:3041

Home Address:
15 Apple Way
Stratham, NH 03885-2502
Phone: (603)686-1234
Email: [email protected]



Representative Donovan Fenton (d)
Cheshire- District 08
Seat #:1035

Home Address:
6 Kendall Road
Keene, NH 03431-5212
Phone: (603)313-7991
Email: [email protected]


Representative Jerry Knirk (d) Carroll- District 03
Seat #:3034
Home Address:
30 Clancy Road
Freedom, NH 03836-4406
Phone: (617)448-7557
Email: [email protected]


Representative Robert Backus (d) Hillsborough- District 19
Seat #:2041

Home Address:
1318 Goffstown Road
Manchester, NH 03102-2326
Phone: (603)232-0525
Email: [email protected]


Representative Manny Espitia (d) Hillsborough- District 31
Seat #:3069

Home Address:
137 Chestnut Street F12
Nashua, NH 03060-6426
Phone: (714)742-9527
Email: [email protected]


Representative Mary Jane Mulligan (d) Grafton- District 12
Seat #:2033

Home Address:
156 1/2 Lyme Road
Hanover, NH 03755-6605
Phone: (603)643-6167
Email: [email protected]


District 04 - Senator David Watters
[email protected]
State House
Room 302
107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
603.271.3042


District 24 - Senator Tom Sherman
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Room 107
107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
603.271.8631
Staff: Doug Marino

District 05 - Senator Martha Hennessey
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State House
Room 302
107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
603.271.3042


District 09 - Senator Jeanne Dietsch
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State House
Room 105-A
107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
603.271.4151


District 10 - Senator Jay Kah
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Room 115
107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
603.271.3077
 

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Talk about carpet bagger blow ins.....

Representative Jerry Knirk (d) Carroll- District 03
Seat #:3034
Home Address:
30 Clancy Road
Freedom, NH 03836-4406
Phone: (617)448-7557
Email: [email protected]

Knirk cant even be bothered to change his phone number from the boston area......

Worse yet is the blow in from commifornia......

Representative Manny Espitia (d) Hillsborough- District 31
Seat #:3069

Home Address:
137 Chestnut Street F12
Nashua, NH 03060-6426
Phone: (714)742-9527
Email: [email protected]
 
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I emailed all those jokers. Thanks for posting it. A couple popped back as undeliverable. I'll have to look and see why when the morning dust settles...
 

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I emailed all those jokers. Thanks for posting it. A couple popped back as undeliverable. I'll have to look and see why when the morning dust settles...
Call them too......several times a week......but be polite but firm
 
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