New Jersey ACLU files 1A suit over students suspended over firearm Snapchat pics

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LACEY TOWNSHIP HIGH SCHOOL UNCONSTITUTIONALLY PUNISHED STUDENTS FOR POSTS MADE OFF-CAMPUS AND OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS, SAYS ACLU-NJ SUIT
The ACLU-NJ and the law firm Pashman Stein Walder Hayden, P.C., filed a lawsuit today on behalf of two students whose First Amendment rights were violated after they were suspended for posting photos of firearms to social media made entirely outside of a school context.

“When I was pulled into the principal’s office for something I shared with my friends privately, outside of school, over a weekend, it felt like I had no place where I could truly speak freely,” said H.S., one of the students whose Snapchat post precipitated the school’s actions, whose name is being withheld because he was a minor at the time of the suspension.

“I’m filing this suit so that no one at my high school in the future has to feel like the First Amendment wasn’t meant to include them,” said Cody Conroy, the other student who was suspended for the Snapchat messa
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308rifleman said:
Besides firearms safety, my wife and I have been telling our little daughters about the dangers of social media and how it should be avoided. Facebook, Snapchat, etc have ended countless relationships, wrecked families, got people fired from good jobs, and landed many others in prison.
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If you're caught having an affair/being a racist a**h***, etc because of social media, is it really social media's fault your wife bounces or your boss tells you to pound sand?

I don't think you're wrong... I wish I never set-up facebook in the first place, or used it in a much more limited fashion (it is great for keeping in touch with people), but often a**h***s just get CAUGHT being a**h***s where they wouldn't have before.
 
crazymjb said:
If you're caught having an affair/being a racist a**h***, etc because of social media, is it really social media's fault your wife bounces or your boss tells you to pound sand?

I don't think you're wrong... I wish I never set-up facebook in the first place, or used it in a much more limited fashion (it is great for keeping in touch with people), but often a**h***s just get CAUGHT being a**h***s where they wouldn't have before.
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Sometimes, social media posts get taken out of context. Like that kid in NJ whose picture appeared on Facebook, holding his first .22 rifle (gift from his dad). Some "anonymous tipster" notified CPS and a CPS investigator showed up at the family home with heavily-armed cops wearing body armor. She demanded entry (without a warrant) and demanded that the father's gun safe be opened for inspection. The guy recorded the whole thing and got on the phone with gun/weapons attorney E.F. Nappen. The cops and the CPS investigator then left after making threats to snatch the kid with a court order. The father didn't seem to be a troublemaker. Neither did the kid. Thanks to a Facebook post, the situation could easily have led to tragedy.
 
I wonder how they got caught? Isn't snapchat just to your friends, and the message automatically disappears? I know someone can just screen capture the image first, but that means some ahole "friend" actually did that, or there is a back door.
 
My son is afraid to post about firearms. I've made it clear that he has every right to live his life how he wants, and doesn't have to hide his hobby. We created an Instagram account for him to post his shooting pictures/videos, and if someone at his school makes an issue about it, bring it on.
 
crazymjb said:
If you're caught having an affair/being a racist a**h***, etc because of social media, is it really social media's fault your wife bounces or your boss tells you to pound sand?

I don't think you're wrong... I wish I never set-up facebook in the first place, or used it in a much more limited fashion (it is great for keeping in touch with people), but often a**h***s just get CAUGHT being a**h***s where they wouldn't have before.
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Often it is not that cut and dry. As 308rifleman pointed out, things get taken out of context, or blown way out of proportion by others on social media who really have no vested interest, but are particularly sensitive and vocal (e.g. your typical SJW). The problem is the reach and exposure. If you post a funny scene from Tropic Thunder to your friends, does that make you a racist a**hole? Or does that just mean your sense of humor can lean towards juvenile on occasion?
 
Horrible said:
Holy shit! Call Guinness!

I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day
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... kinda.

This isn't a 2A suit, it's a 1A suit (that happens to involve speech about guns)

When I see the ACLU actively support a 2A case (that's not a 4A or 1A case with guns), or openly join forces with Comm2A, SAF, etc. I'll reconsider them a "rights" organization instead of a "selected rights" organization.
 
Anti-2A ACLU are not completely prepared to defend Rights. Sure, the Judicial Branch is sufficient to defend Rights of the People most of the time, but a few times in the lifespan of a Nation, the Rights of the People can only be defended by the 4th Branch of Government, the Armed People.
 
Reason: High School Suspends 2 Students for Posting Gun Range Photos on Snapchat, ACLU Files Suit

... On Monday, the boys were forced to meet with an assistant principal and an anti-bullying specialist, who quickly decided to punish them for clearly constitutionally-protected speech.​

Weak.

If you're old enough to pose on Facepalm holding guns,
you're old enough to tell your assistant principal, "I want a lawyer" and STFU.

Roland Deschain said:
My son is afraid to post about firearms. I've made it clear that he has every right to live his life how he wants, and doesn't have to hide his hobby. We created an Instagram account for him to post his shooting pictures/videos, and if someone at his school makes an issue about it, bring it on.
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I presume you have a game plan already worked out.
 
AHM said:
If you're old enough to pose on Facepalm holding guns,
you're old enough to tell your assistant principal, "I want a lawyer" and STFU.
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Exactly!

I remember way back in the day, the office telling students they couldn't sign themselves out of school, even though the student was 18yo. That BS didn't last long when our class was in senior year. They haven't tried it again since then.
 
AHM said:
Reason: High School Suspends 2 Students for Posting Gun Range Photos on Snapchat, ACLU Files Suit

... On Monday, the boys were forced to meet with an assistant principal and an anti-bullying specialist, who quickly decided to punish them for clearly constitutionally-protected speech.​

Weak.

If you're old enough to pose on Facepalm holding guns,
you're old enough to tell your assistant principal, "I want a lawyer" and STFU.



I presume you have a game plan already worked out.
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Oh yes.
 
Racenet said:
Exactly!

I remember way back in the day, the office telling students they couldn't sign themselves out of school, even though the student was 18yo. That BS didn't last long when our class was in senior year. They haven't tried it again since then.
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In 1976, I graduated a month after turning 18. I didn’t go to school a few days and wrote myself a note: “I was not in school 6May due to an absence.” They had to take it!
 
MaverickNH said:
In 1976, I graduated a month after turning 18. I didn’t go to school a few days and wrote myself a note: “I was not in school 6May due to an absence.” They had to take it!
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I remember reading an article about the MIT admission process. In addition to evaluating GPA, courses, SATs, family connections, donations, legacy status, etc. they assign "points" for activities and honors. A local accolade gets one point level; a state one a few more and a national one even more.

Funny thing though - that admission officer who explained that kids should not kill themselves loading up on activities to boost the college resume went on to explain each activity added more points to the activity score used in the admission decision.

A friend's son was very involved in competitive shooting and earned himself the sole New England scholarship to the Miculek junior shooters camp.

So, the question he struggled with: This is an honor, so I might get points for it. This is guns so it might get me blackballed.

He chose to list it and was accepted at his first choice school (MIT), but turned down by his send choice (Stanford).
 
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Rob Boudrie said:
I remember reading an article about the MIT admission process. In addition to evaluating GPA, courses, SATs, family connections, donations, legacy status, etc. they assign "points" for activities and honors. A local accolade gets one point level; a state one a few more and a national one even more.

Funny thing though - that admission officer who explained that kids should not kill themselves loading up on activities to boost the college resume went on to explain each activity added more points to the activity score used in the admission decision.

A friend's son was very involved in competitive shooting and earned himself the sole New England scholarship to the Miculek junior shooters camp.

So, the question he struggled with: This is an honor, so I might get points for it. This is guns so it might get me blackballed.

He chose to list it and was accepted at his first choice school (MIT), but turned down by his send choice (Stanford).
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Yes, but MIT has a very highly regarded and competitive pistol team. Stanford probably has knitting (red pussy hats) or basketweaving competitions.
 
When I was 18 I wrote myself a note excusing me from school: Radtekk wasn't in school yesterday because he wanted to go to the beach. Please excuse his absence. Signed, Radtekk.
MAN was the office lady pissed [devil2]
 
Rob Boudrie said:
I remember reading an article about the MIT admission process. In addition to evaluating GPA, courses, SATs, family connections, donations, legacy status, etc. they assign "points" for activities and honors. A local accolade gets one point level; a state one a few more and a national one even more.

Funny thing though - that admission officer who explained that kids should not kill themselves loading up on activities to boost the college resume went on to explain each activity added more points to the activity score used in the admission decision.

A friend's son was very involved in competitive shooting and earned himself the sole New England scholarship to the Miculek junior shooters camp.

So, the question he struggled with: This is an honor, so I might get points for it. This is guns so it might get me blackballed.

He chose to list it and was accepted at his first choice school (MIT), but turned down by his send choice (Stanford).
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Are those the same point systems that is getting Harvard sued for discriminating against Asians?
 
308rifleman said:
Besides firearms safety, my wife and I have been telling our little daughters about the dangers of social media and how it should be avoided. Facebook, Snapchat, etc have ended countless relationships, wrecked families, got people fired from good jobs, and landed many others in prison.
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I agree.

I have a Snapchat account, but I only post pics of cool stuff, like mountains, my mountainbike ...

The goal is, if anyone ever searches my name, they will see I'm just an outdoor guy.

No gun pics. Although I do follow some gun manufacturers. Maybe I should stop that.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
I remember reading an article about the MIT admission process. In addition to evaluating GPA, courses, SATs, family connections, donations, legacy status, etc. they assign "points" for activities and honors. A local accolade gets one point level; a state one a few more and a national one even more.

Funny thing though - that admission officer who explained that kids should not kill themselves loading up on activities to boost the college resume went on to explain each activity added more points to the activity score used in the admission decision.

A friend's son was very involved in competitive shooting and earned himself the sole New England scholarship to the Miculek junior shooters camp.

So, the question he struggled with: This is an honor, so I might get points for it. This is guns so it might get me blackballed.

He chose to list it and was accepted at his first choice school (MIT), but turned down by his send choice (Stanford).
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My senior year I joined the schools Jazz band, French Club, Spanish Club and some other BS club. I did all thos before sending out applications.

I got accepted into every expensive University ... except the cheapest one on the list (Bridgewater State U).

As soon as I got accepted to every university, I quit all those clubs.

I then didnt attend any of the expensive ones. Went to a community college and then Bridgwater State U. No debt.
 

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