Sadly with the house passage of HD4607 in Massachusetts and most likely the passage as-is in the Senate, it looks like Mass. non-resident permits will be a thing of the past. I am waiting a little bit before I send my next renewal in, if all the new laws are enacted for 1/1/24, ill maybe get 4 months out of my next renewal. Not sure if its worth the $100.
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Mass non-resident LTC No more?
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lancecolonel
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You might want to ask this in the mass thread. I’d be interested to know as well.
The current text of the house bill is very difficult to read, plus there's the uncertainty of the Senate's language.
Some of this MA bill echoes what Illinois did for non-residents, where basically nobody gets a non-resident LTC but you can still drive straight through with a handgun.
Some of this MA bill echoes what Illinois did for non-residents, where basically nobody gets a non-resident LTC but you can still drive straight through with a handgun.
Seems like there are some changes according to GOAL: https://goal.org/resources/H4139Breakdown.pdf
Starts at page 53, looks like it limits the reasons for a "temporary" AKA Non-Resident license. Not sure how a "competition" temporary license would work in practice.
Starts at page 53, looks like it limits the reasons for a "temporary" AKA Non-Resident license. Not sure how a "competition" temporary license would work in practice.
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There was a case a while back, before NH went conn carry, that forced NH to make the non-res on par with the res, someone please remember it and post.
If the changes the house wants in MA go through it will be even worse, not only not in line with res-ltc, but no carry at all and contrary to Bruen. I don't see how this doesn't get shot down by the courts. Even the MA courts are going to have trouble finding a way to justify it.
If the changes the house wants in MA go through it will be even worse, not only not in line with res-ltc, but no carry at all and contrary to Bruen. I don't see how this doesn't get shot down by the courts. Even the MA courts are going to have trouble finding a way to justify it.
LittleCalm
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I’ll defer to pastera but my read is that unless you demonstrate you work for an employer in security business or are coming into MA for a competition (not just to shoot at a range), no more general NR LTC. Hunting might be in there too, can’t remember as I looked last week. In any event, whether MSP follows this to the letter or just renews unrestricted NR LTC remains to be seen.
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This would be applying a "need based test" - exactly what Bruen struck down.
LittleCalm
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Here are what I think are the relevant sections. Oddly, looks like a NR can bring a non-AWB long gun to a MA shooting range but not a handgun.
Section 124B. (a) A temporary license to carry firearms or ammunition within the commonwealth shall be issued by the colonel of the state police or their designee in accordance with the qualification requirements and procedures for a license to carry firearms issued under section 124, to:
(i) a resident of the commonwealth for purposes of sports competition;
(ii) a nonresident for purposes of a firearm competition;
(iii) a nonresident who is in the employ of a bank, public utility corporation, or a firm engaged in the business of transferring monies, or business of a similar nature, or a firm licensed as a private detective under chapter 147, and whose application is endorsed by an employer; or
(iv) a nonresident who is a member of the armed services and is stationed within the territorial boundaries of the commonwealth and has the written consent of their commanding officer.
Section 127A. (a) A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess common long guns and ammunition therefor pursuant to subsection (b) if the nonresident has a permit or license issued from their state of residence which has substantially similar requirements to those of the commonwealth for a long gun permit as determined by the colonel of the state police pursuant to subsection (f).
(b) A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess common long guns and ammunition therefor: (i) to hunt during hunting season with a nonresident hunting license or a hunting license or permit lawfully issued from their state of residence which has substantially similar requirements to those in section 11 of chapter 131, as determined by the colonel of the
state police pursuant to subsection (f); (ii) while on a firing or shooting range; (iii) while traveling in or through the commonwealth; provided, that the common long guns shall be unloaded and secured in a locked container pursuant to sections 126B and 126C; or (iv) while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association.
(c) A nonresident who is at least 18 years of age may possess a pistol or revolver in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of taking part in a pistol or revolver competition or attending any meeting or exhibition of any organized group of firearm collectors or for the purpose of hunting; provided, that such person has a permit or license to carry firearms issued from their state of residence which has substantially similar requirements to those of the commonwealth for a license to carry as determined by the colonel of the state police pursuant to subsection (f); provided, however, that in the case of a person traveling in or through the commonwealth for the purpose of hunting, they shall also have on their person a hunting or sporting license issued by the commonwealth or by their destination state.
(d) A nonresident may carry a firearm on their person while in a vehicle lawfully traveling through the commonwealth; provided, however, that the firearm shall remain in the vehicle and if the firearm is outside its owner’s direct control it shall be stored in the vehicle in accordance with section 126C.
(e) Police officers and other peace officers of any state, territory or jurisdiction with
