seriously though. can somebody give me the dumbed down version. not saying i'm an idiot, just very confused. are there any modifications i can make to a post ban ar? i just want to put a colapsable stock and a grip on the front end.
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MA ar15 laws for dummies
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Forend grip ok.
No: Collapsable stock
Bayonete mount
Flash hider
Granade launcher
No: Collapsable stock
Bayonete mount
Flash hider
Granade launcher
Got a citation for this assertion?
"Forend [sic] grip ok.
No: Collapsable [sic] stock
Bayonete [sic] mount
Flash hider
Granade [sic] launcher"
As the AR-15 COMES with a foreend stock, the OP is almost certainly inquiring about a PISTOL GRIP foreend. As pistol grips are one of the items which, in combination with other elements, constitute an "assault weapon," putting such a grip on a post-ban gun may well violate the Mass. AWB.
I repeat the question: Do you have a citation for your assertion?
"Forend [sic] grip ok.
No: Collapsable [sic] stock
Bayonete [sic] mount
Flash hider
Granade [sic] launcher"
As the AR-15 COMES with a foreend stock, the OP is almost certainly inquiring about a PISTOL GRIP foreend. As pistol grips are one of the items which, in combination with other elements, constitute an "assault weapon," putting such a grip on a post-ban gun may well violate the Mass. AWB.
I repeat the question: Do you have a citation for your assertion?
Mass law incorporates the Federal definition, which is as follows:
(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;
So - what is "conspicuously" and what is "the action of the weapon?"
I suggest that a vertical grip from the forestock is most certainly conspicuous and that the foreend of an AR-15 could easily be construed as "the action of the weapon" because of the gas tube.
It could also be argued that a "pistol grip" is one which is designed to allow the gun to be fired while holding it by that grip, in which case a vertical foreend is NOT a "pistol grip." Hence my challenge for a citation to support the as-yet wholly unqualified assertion that such a grip IS legal in this benighted commonwealth.
(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;
So - what is "conspicuously" and what is "the action of the weapon?"
I suggest that a vertical grip from the forestock is most certainly conspicuous and that the foreend of an AR-15 could easily be construed as "the action of the weapon" because of the gas tube.
It could also be argued that a "pistol grip" is one which is designed to allow the gun to be fired while holding it by that grip, in which case a vertical foreend is NOT a "pistol grip." Hence my challenge for a citation to support the as-yet wholly unqualified assertion that such a grip IS legal in this benighted commonwealth.
Scrivener said:
Good points...
I would consider the "action of the weapon" as the bolt-carrier group. Making the forward grip legal. But you're right it is not very well defined, and I wouldn't want to assume it's legal until I have evidence showing so.
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Nope. I spent 2 hours last night finding old copies of USC in regards to the AWB. You can do it tonight.Scrivener said:
MGL refers you to the former federal AWB for wording... find it yourself.
a pistol grip is not a tube, buddy.
The AWB doesnt say "a tube in the vertical position", it celary lables it a pistol grip UNDER THE ACTION.
another exemple of someone in mass overreading and getting overhyped about laws.....
"Nope. I spent 2 hours last night finding old copies of USC in regards to the AWB. You can do it tonight."
You work quite slowly and inefficiently. I found it in minutes.
"MGL refers you to the former federal AWB for wording... find it yourself."
RTFD*, legal eagle. I QUOTED the pertinent Federal law; you cite NOTHING.
"a pistol grip is not a tube, buddy."
RTFD squared. No-one SAID a tube was a grip. And you are also wrong about me being your "buddy."
"The AWB doesnt say "a tube in the vertical position", it celary [sic] lables [sic] it a pistol grip UNDER THE ACTION."
RTFD cubed. I alreaady addressed that issue in some detail. Those that read and comprehended those remarks found them cogent. You obviously failed to qualify under one, if not both, criteria.
"another exemple [sic] of someone in mass overreading and getting overhyped about laws...."
Try "another example of the ignorant and insolent advertising their inadequacies."
But thanks anyway for playing. Now enjoy the HOME version of our game....... [roll]
* RTFD: Read The Full Document!
You work quite slowly and inefficiently. I found it in minutes.
"MGL refers you to the former federal AWB for wording... find it yourself."
RTFD*, legal eagle. I QUOTED the pertinent Federal law; you cite NOTHING.
"a pistol grip is not a tube, buddy."
RTFD squared. No-one SAID a tube was a grip. And you are also wrong about me being your "buddy."
"The AWB doesnt say "a tube in the vertical position", it celary [sic] lables [sic] it a pistol grip UNDER THE ACTION."
RTFD cubed. I alreaady addressed that issue in some detail. Those that read and comprehended those remarks found them cogent. You obviously failed to qualify under one, if not both, criteria.
"another exemple [sic] of someone in mass overreading and getting overhyped about laws...."
Try "another example of the ignorant and insolent advertising their inadequacies."
But thanks anyway for playing. Now enjoy the HOME version of our game....... [roll]
* RTFD: Read The Full Document!
djsmiles said:
No, you're screwed in Mass, and might want to consider relocating to a non-socialist loaction, like NH, VT or Maine.
Looks like the fore-end grip may be legal, but a folding stock damn sure isn't, unless you live in a "no-ban" state.
Or maybe Dumbass?Scrivener said:" I thought I had that one figured out before I read the footer.. I was close, however I had the "F" standing for a slightly different word."
That works well, too; it can also stand for Read The File, Dummy!![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
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Admonishment duly noted.
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Admonishment duly noted.
Please let it ALSO be noted that those posting on open forums impliedly open themselves to reactions and comments to those posts.
If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!
While I was laying on a medical cot getting 3 liters of IV from the Corpsman, I had my Company First SGT tell me that after a wet down for our new Major. I kept telling them since I've come back from Tijuana I can't drink any more Tequila. But no, lets make Sgt Hoskins do 10 shots of Tequila, then give him a hard time the next morning when he’s been puking his guts from 5am to 11am straight. Oh the good old days. 
This thread has been offically hijacked. All your posts are belong to me!
This thread has been offically hijacked. All your posts are belong to me!
derek said:While I was laying on a medical cot getting 3 liters of IV from the Corpsman, I had my Company First SGT tell me that after a wet down for our new Major. I kept telling them since I've come back from Tijuana I can't drink any more Tequila. But no, lets make Sgt Hoskins do 10 shots of Tequila, then give him a hard time the next morning when he’s been puking his guts from 5am to 11am straight. Oh the good old days.
This thread has been offically hijacked. All your posts are belong to me!
[lol] [lol] [lol] [lol] Quite smooth there, D.
djsmiles said:
Unless you're a purist, I don't see the Mass or Federal AWB as limiting your design all that much. I'll assume that you're willing to omit a bayonet lug and grenade launcher. (You can't get grenades anyway, and in two tours I never saw a single person actually mount a baynet on the M16). There some decent and legal substitutes for the original flash surpressor. That leaves you with the option of either a pistol grip or a folding/telescoping stock. Since the pistol grip is pretty much obligatory fr an AR, a true folding/telescoping stock would be off limits. You can, however, get a fixed stock that's the same length as and looks a lot like the collapsed or folded stock. You could also get a full length stock and interchange them to suit your preferences.
Of course, as someone suggested, you would be better off living in a free country, rather than the People's Republic of Massachusetts.
Ken
Scrivener said:
Just want to make sure I have this right. If the rifle is Pre-ban the fore stock is ok. If Post-ban it is or can be interpreted illegal. I was thinking of puting one on my Pre-ban.
