I'm in the market for a C&R pistol....

[CoastieRon]

And am looking for a reliable single or double action. My BiL got himself a BM Star, and I'll be honest, I have an itch. Not too concerned about caliber, but would like getting somewhat accurate.

So braintrust, school me on C&R pistols.

Please?

 

[1776]

Smith & Wesson S&W Model 544, 44-40, The Texas Wagon Train Commemorative. Issued to commemorate the Texas Sesquicentennial (150th anniversary) as a state. Caliber - .44-40 Winchester, double action revolver built on the square-butt N target frame with three screws, 5-inch straight contour barrel, six-shot fluted cylinder with a nominal length of 1.66", .500" target hammer, .400" target trigger, red ramp front sight and white outline micrometer rear sight, shrouded extractor rod, top rib, smooth Goncalo Alves target stocks with S&W medallions, 10-groove serrated backstrap and forestrap,

The Finish Is Bright Blue With A Gold Washed "Texas Wagon Train" Logo On The Receiver And marked "1836 Texas 1986" on barrel. Basswood presentation case with Texas etched markings and blue cloth lined.

Chambered for the old .44-40 cartridge. According to Smith's records, 4782 of these revolvers were shipped, all with special serial numbers with the "TWT" prefix.

They were the first S&W revolvers chambered for the .44-40 round to ship since 1940, and their collectible status has earned them a place on the "Curio & Relic" list from the BATFE.

See ATF P 5300.4, Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide section II bottom of pg 28. Smith & Wesson, Model 544, "Texas Wagon Train Commemorative" .44/40 cal. 6-shot revolvers

Serial number TWTxxxx in serial number range TWT0001 to TWT7800 with XXXX manufactured in 1986.

This revolver is un-fired, untouched without white gloves by only me, and is in new, excellent condition. Finish is 100%

Includes original blue revolver box, Basswood presentation case with Texas etched markings and blue cloth lined, original packing box (I cut the packing tape on the original shipping box), paperwork, and S&W accessories.

Obscure Object of Desire: The Smith & Wesson Model 544 Texas Commemorative in .44-40 WCF - The Truth About Guns

 

[knoxy]

Cz82 was my first C&R. Then got another.
Sweet triggers, polygonal rifling, more accurate than I am.
That developed into a raging CZ addiction.

 

[majspud]

Depends on what you're looking for...revolver or pistol? Target practice or for carry? Can't go wrong with a Colt Detective .38 special, or equivalent S/W M10. Colts tend to be smaller and lighter. Old .38 specials can be had fairly cheaply. Depending on season, I regularly carry a 1915 Colt M08 .380, a 1937 Detective Special, a 1939 Walther PPk in .32acp, a 1943 Mauser HSc in .32acp, or a 1910 M08 Colt in .25. At some point, my next handgun will be the PPK/S in .380 as opposed to .32acp. The Walther PP is a little bigger than the PPK, and holds 8 rounds as opposed to 7. Also the M03 Colt in .32, and the M35 Beretta in .32, and the M34 in .380. I was very fond of those, but they are not lefty compatible with a lanyard loop in the left grip. The Smith & Wesson Victory .38 Special from WW2 is a classic, but a little heavy. If you like it, be sure to get the "American" Spec .38 special, as opposed to the British .38 S/W short.

I do have a 1912 high polish M06 Colt Police Positive .38 Special that I've been debating selling....the smallest and lightest 4" .38 special I have come across.

Something larger and more "Modern" C&R is the post war Walther made P1 in 9mm Luger. I just sold mine this week.

t

 

[1776]

 

[40 caliber]

And am looking for a reliable single or double action. My BiL got himself a BM Star, and I'll be honest, I have an itch. Not too concerned about caliber, but would like getting somewhat accurate.

So braintrust, school me on C&R pistols.

Please?

last i knew a BM star is not a CR. pistol. the Bulgarian contract is a CR from WWII (which i happen to have one for sale)

The Makarov or the CZ 82 are both very good choices for your requirements. the blowback design is solid and i can't remember an FTE with my pistols

 

[jpm]

The compact Star model B is not C&R.

The CZ82 would be an excellent choice. Its a great shooter and accurate and has double stack mags (13 rounds IIRC). The P64 is nice but unpleasant to shoot IMO.

 

[CoastieRon]

last i knew a BM star is not a CR. pistol. the Bulgarian contract is a CR from WWII (which i happen to have one for sale)

The Makarov or the CZ 82 are both very good choices for your requirements. the blowback design is solid and i can't remember an FTE with my pistols

Yeah, I may ha e mislabeled this thread. It should probably say "old ass firearm".

I'm looking at the TT or the CZ honestly. I'd like to stay within the calibers I have, but it's ok if I don't. I'd like to shoot center-fire with it (the BiL is shooting centerfire league with the BM, I'm shooting with a SA 1911 range officer loaded 9mm, does t seem fair lol)

 

[CoastieRon]

Depends on what you're looking for...revolver or pistol? Target practice or for carry? Can't go wrong with a Colt Detective .38 special, or equivalent S/W M10. Colts tend to be smaller and lighter. Old .38 specials can be had fairly cheaply. Depending on season, I regularly carry a 1915 Colt M08 .380, a 1937 Detective Special, a 1939 Walther PPk in .32acp, a 1943 Mauser HSc in .32acp, or a 1910 M08 Colt in .25. At some point, my next handgun will be the PPK/S in .380 as opposed to .32acp. The Walther PP is a little bigger than the PPK, and holds 8 rounds as opposed to 7. Also the M03 Colt in .32, and the M35 Beretta in .32, and the M34 in .380. I was very fond of those, but they are not lefty compatible with a lanyard loop in the left grip. The Smith & Wesson Victory .38 Special from WW2 is a classic, but a little heavy. If you like it, be sure to get the "American" Spec .38 special, as opposed to the British .38 S/W short.

I do have a 1912 high polish M06 Colt Police Positive .38 Special that I've been debating selling....the smallest and lightest 4" .38 special I have come across.

Something larger and more "Modern" C&R is the post war Walther made P1 in 9mm Luger. I just sold mine this week.

t

I love reading your posts.

It will be Target, not carry. Would rather semi over wheel gun.

 

[CoastieRon]

FN Browning Hi-Power?

 

[KBCraig]

Cz.52 for the fireballs.

 

[majspud]

If you’re down to semi-automatic, what caliber?

t

 

[CoastieRon]

If you’re down to semi-automatic, what caliber?

t

Sub $0.50 per round?

 

[CoastieRon]

Hell, a beat to shit Beretta 92F (M9) CG turn in pistol would be the it's to (first pistol I qualified on in the CG in 1990)

 

[76Too]

FN Browning Hi-Power?

Read my mind. Got me a Nazi gun!

 

[majspud]

New .32acp is $14-18 for round nose/50. .380 about the same.

t

 

[mac1911]

Sub $0.50 per round?

9mm mak is not as cheap as it once was , heck last I looked it was only about $1.25 per box swing steel vs brass ? average seems to be .30 cents per round
7.62x25 its a few cents per round more than 9mm mak

quick look around it seems like the cz 52 and the tt-33 clones are about the cheapest for good shooters out there?
CZ 82s took a decent jump over the past few years. I like them

 

[40 caliber]

9mm mak is not as cheap as it once was , heck last I looked it was only about $1.25 per box swing steel vs brass ? average seems to be .30 cents per round
7.62x25 its a few cents per round more than 9mm mak

quick look around it seems like the cz 52 and the tt-33 clones are about the cheapest for good shooters out there?
CZ 82s took a decent jump over the past few years. I like them

you are right,


i love the tok round. when i ran out of surplus at 5-7 cents a round i got rid of my pistols. love the mak. .
for a 1000 Mak rounds , i can get 21 cents a round shipped to my door or 35 cent + for tok round

$215 /1000 Mak vs $295 /900 delivered

both up in price but not the same to me

 

[DW357]

I had a CZ82 and shot it for a little while but then sold it.

The only C&R pistol I have left is my romanian tokarev that I bought from fellow NESer, 40 caliber ^^^
The 7.62x25 is an awesome round. It's super accurate especially with my reloads.

If you don't reload, looks like it's about 36 cents per round from TSUSA
Prvi Partizan 7.62x25mm Ammo 85 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point

Never shot the CZ-52 but I'm sure that would be a nice gun as well.

 

[mike1960]

Polish P-64 from the guy with all the videos. Put in the wolf spring kit and it is accurate and fun. It is kind of a copy of the PPK.

 

[jpm]

I put a wolff spring kit in my P-64 and still hated it. Not fun

 

[majspud]

Just get a PPk; there is no substitute.

t

 

[El_Guapo77]

Can't go wrong with a p64 or a tokarev

 

[MJ1]

Yugo M57 $200

 

[40 caliber]

[QUOTE="andrew1220, post: 6415081, member: 28083"

The only C&R pistol I have left is my romanian tokarev that I bought from fellow NESer, 40 caliber ^^^
The 7.62x25 is an awesome round. It's super accurate especially with my reloads.

.[/QUOTE]

Didn’t you break that thing? I always felt bad you had a problem with it after you put like 50,000 rounds through it "..........JK

 

[Coyote33]

I was going to say Makarov, all day, every day.

Then, looking at MJ1's New Yugo M57 , that looks pretty cool also.

 

[majspud]

CZ24 In .380; $400 SOLD

t
CZ-24 with correct holster $400 delivered

 

[majspud]

I just ordered 200 rounds of .32 acp; PPU 71gr JHP for about $.36/round shipped. 902fps, 128ft-lbs kinetic energy. 50 Winchester .71gr SWC/FMJ at Walmart today was almost $25/50. So more than $1.00/round there.

t

 

[DW357]

[QUOTE="andrew1220, post: 6415081, member: 28083"

The only C&R pistol I have left is my romanian tokarev that I bought from fellow NESer, 40 caliber ^^^
The 7.62x25 is an awesome round. It's super accurate especially with my reloads.

.

Didn’t you break that thing? I always felt bad you had a problem with it after you put like 50,000 rounds through it "..........JK[/QUOTE]
Hahah no I think it was the firing pin or something that broke? Nothing major.

 

[45collector]

I’ve been a big makarov fan for over a decade. My ‘62 East German was my summer carry gun for about 8 years, until I found the Sig P938.
The Mak is one of the most simple, rugged, and reliable compact auto’s ever made. It is very accurate for its size, and replacement parts are everywhere. It’s rare that something breaks on them though, unless you really shoot the hell out of it. I have a big bag of replacement parts and have only had to dig into it once. The slide stop/ ejector cracked.
With your C&R you can get any East German, or a Russian military. The commercial Russian ones are still too new to be C&R, same goes for the Bulgarian and Chinese versions.
I reload 9x18 but I don’t shoot that caliber as much as I used to.