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Gun Confiscation Coming in Virginia
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xtry51
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I'm sad this would never happen.
There's no way VA goes current proposal full retard during an election year. I think they're just pandering to their base. Maybe they pass something like a regular CA/CT/MA/NY AWB. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think the close by DC elitists are going to let VA DNC hand Trump a giant election topic they know he'll win.
They'll water it down to something that matches another existing law and just pray SCOTUS doesn't take up an AWB case.
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fshalor
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I'm late to this thread... That I am. Is Patty Mayo going to VA for his next season ?
With the amount of furor this is creating down there I don't think a "chinsebag AWB lite" is going to piss people off any less...
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VA gun owners recognize that.... Rape is rape, it's not less bad because "just the tip." -Mike
One other possibilitiy.... scotus could issue an injunction blocking enforcement of the law, right? Until it poops out an awb case... I don't see them going FR and suing the state, etc. That would probably only happen if you had 3 Gorsuch clones and maybe 3 Thomas clones all seated at once lmao...
Your son is correct however that didn't stop them from confiscating firearms post Katrina.
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The governor would be stupid to call up the entire state National Guard. From a "troop loyalty" and enforcement point of view, he'd want to make sure to call up officers who he knows are loyal from liberal counties and areas. He's the c-in-c of the state's martial forces.
Power is an awfully tempting thing, don't underestimate it.
There's no way Trump or any other organ of the Federal government is going to sue the Commonwealth of VA. The best option is for state residents and state groups to sue in Federal district court for an injunction. Trump can join or intervene if he wants. There's no track record of the Feds coming in to protect the 2A. Maybe after the NYC case gets decided. Don't expect Federal intervention on behalf of the 2A unless there's:
*A clear standard for the 2A, like "strict scrutiny" - hopefully this'll be the NYC case
*A local US Attorney who gives a shit about the 2A - meaning he either cares about the right or sees the issue as being politically advantageous
*An administration that's proactive about defending civil liberties - Trump does not have a strong record with this, he's a dealmaker, not a lawyer
No, SCOTUS can't issue an injunction unless SCOTUS has original trial jurisdiction over the suit. Hypothetically, if Trump through the USAG sued VA, the suit would be brought in US District Court in VA. The suit would then probably be appealed, but would still take time to get to SCOTUS. SCOTUS would only have appellate jurisdiction, not the ability to actually issue an injunction. Any injunction would come from a Federal district court judge.
Again, the best idea is for VA citizens to file suit in Federal court. Maybe in state court depending on how strong VA's 2A case law is and how the state supreme and appellate courts are politically aligned.
Edit: the most typical situation where a suit starts in SCOTUS is disputes over land by the government, like when two states or one state and the Feds have a dispute over who owns what land. And by land, think of whole towns or islands.
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amm5061
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Coz gunz! Hurr durrr! Do something for the children! Hurrrr durrrrr orange man bad!
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Gee!! I recall somewhere in our history that the Government tried that and it didn't work out so well for them. The King's Marines got their asses handed to them by some "Farmers"
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No, incorporation of the Constitution to the states is a different concept. You're not describing it correctly.
Incorporation means that the Bill of Rights applies to the states, not just the Feds. This doesn't mean that the Feds are going to swoop in and intervene when citizens claim that their rights have been violated. The 2A was incorporated to the states in McDonald. That means the states have to respect the RKBA. McDonald did not create precedent indicating that the Feds would start suing to enforce one point of view of the 2A (a strict, by-the-text reading). At the end of the day, private citizens have to do the legwork. The Federal government does not exist to act as a broker between a state's citizens and the state government unless all forms of redress have been exhausted at the state level or the people file suit in Federal court.
Think about what's going on in VA.
You have the Virginia governor acting to enforce Virginia statutes against Virginia citizens. Uncle Sugar doesn't come into play there at all except as an overseer and final dispute resolver. The most proper thing to do under a conservative, states rights 10th Amendment theory would be to sue in state court, appeal through the state system, and only file a writ of cert to SCOTUS after the VA state supreme court heard the case.
Arguably, if Trump came in to enforce his view of the 2A onto Virginia, he'd create a "commandeering" case. Commandeering in 10A jurisprudence is when the Federal government, usually Congress, "commendeers" a state's legislative authority and orders a state to enact certain laws.
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Your argument is that the Don should intervene. My argument is that the 10th Amendment controls here and this is for Virginia and Virginia citizens to deal with. The problem with your theory is that it opens up possibilities for presidents to stick their manhoods into unwelcome places when we don't want them to.
Imagine if, once Trump's gone in 2024, that a Dem president comes into office. Then a state enacts a total, state-wide 2A sanctuary law. The Dem president panders to his base and follows the approach you suggest and sues the state. We don't need that.
We're not going to agree on this point because you're demanding more Federal intervention and I think this is a state's rights issue. Whether you like it or not, this is an issue for Virginia. Not the Feds.
right? the law is the law......
oh really, is it now?
can't have it both ways you commie f***s.
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I'm not ignoring the text of the Constitution. I'm going to end on this.
The way you see the Constitution is as an absolute, binary concept. You're seeing everything that isn't in the text of the Constitution as unconstitutional. I agree that a verbatim interpretation of the 2A would be ideal. Judges, courts, and lawyers, including those appointed by Trump, don't share that point of view. You're willing to bank the farm on your theory. I'm being pragmatic about this and seeing it like it'd actually play out.
This is, again, a dispute between parties who are all from Virginia and involves Virginia law. This is a problem for people in Virginia to solve.
I would say, let them burn the house down. It should serve as a lesson to the rest of the country. Sooner or later the commie dems will get blood on their hands.
Whutmeworry
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We are a nation of political will gentlemen, not a nation of laws. This has ALWAYS been the case, and it always will be. I think this is the point that C. Stockwell is trying to make. Laws mean NOTHING unless there is the political will to pass, enforce, change or repeal them. The pro-2A folks in Virginia failed to turn out the vote last November. That is why they are in this predicament. Beyond (and prior to) that, they failed to register their opinions with their legislature and governor to the extent that was necessary. As a result, the government no longer fears them as it should in a healthy republic.
SpaceCritter
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It's becoming more difficult to do so, as the Donks are becoming exceedingly sophisticated at cheating. They're getting elections laws changed in places in ways that at first glance may actually seem reasonable, but which further erode the ability to stop shenanigans from occurring, especially when taken in context of other (less reasonable) laws they're pushing (and getting passed).
They had a problem where HALF THE FRICKEN OFFICES had unopposed races. There was NO ONE TO VOTE FOR in opposition.
This is why ballots need a "none of the above" option to leave the position vacant. Too many vacant positions = no quorum, no quorum and the legislature has to cease functioning until they have one.
Don't know what the demographic problems are there, though. I strongly suspect theres some big dump cities in play, with large population densities. You get a few of
those, or even just one county, and it can f*** up an entire state. Also when people are armflapping like retards because they throw a temper tantrum over an unrelated politician (the current sitting US president) you end up with f***o/f***ed up election results as a side effect, because too many people are emotionally invested in partisan bullshit.
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I know that here in the Constipation State, that is so in Donk strongholds cuz there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in running an opposition candidate, save maybe an even more Communist one. It's merely a waste of time and resources.
Yeah, there are some places in MA that are literally like that. The only smart way at all to run an opposition campaign in those districts is to do a "gay deceiver" fake
democrat job and push them out at the primary, but even that is difficult.
-Mike
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Not gonna happen, realistically. Only hope is for some kind of crash/reset, where we stop paying them to reproduce themselves, and they starve. And even then, better hope we still have plenty ammo handy when it happens.
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A few thoughts this evening ...
Look at the sanctuary map. Where do you think most of the soldiers from VA are from. My guess is that most are from the green areas. Now, go see how VA sons and daughters sided with their homeland in the last Civil War. You think these soldiers are going to fight against their home counties?
Our 2A right is not a Constitutional right. It is a God given right. This is a difficult concept for many in MA, but I can assure you that it is not in most of VA and the rest of the South and, for that matter, most of flyover country. Simply put, these people are not going to put up with this nonsense.
It is well past time when the electoral college system needed to implemented at the state level as well. Just like a few populous states do not control our country, a few populous cities should not control a state.
While we are on the electoral college, every poll about the impeachment is inherently incorrect. In order to construct a proper poll of what the country actually wants, you would have to sample people reflective of the electoral college makeup. We do not live in a democracy and we sure as heck do not sway with the mob. The progressives have ignored this fact and it is going to be their undoing in the end. We are sick and tired of this crap.
Look at the sanctuary map. Where do you think most of the soldiers from VA are from. My guess is that most are from the green areas. Now, go see how VA sons and daughters sided with their homeland in the last Civil War. You think these soldiers are going to fight against their home counties?
Our 2A right is not a Constitutional right. It is a God given right. This is a difficult concept for many in MA, but I can assure you that it is not in most of VA and the rest of the South and, for that matter, most of flyover country. Simply put, these people are not going to put up with this nonsense.
It is well past time when the electoral college system needed to implemented at the state level as well. Just like a few populous states do not control our country, a few populous cities should not control a state.
While we are on the electoral college, every poll about the impeachment is inherently incorrect. In order to construct a proper poll of what the country actually wants, you would have to sample people reflective of the electoral college makeup. We do not live in a democracy and we sure as heck do not sway with the mob. The progressives have ignored this fact and it is going to be their undoing in the end. We are sick and tired of this crap.
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