Friend may be forced by circumstance to move to Mass. How does he deal with his firearms. He has a post-ban AK, and a few of handguns. The AK should be good as it is post ban. How does he determine if he can bring his pistols? Thanks.
-
If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over.
-
Be sure to enter the NES/MFS May Giveaway ***Canik METE SFX***
Friend moving to Mass
- Thread starter coastie
- Start date
I think you may have that backwards. A Post-Ban AK (with Pre Ban Goodies) would be a No No in Ma. And he could only have a Pre-Ban AK with a Class A High Capacity Lic. As far as the pistols, that will take some research. But I think the first thing he would need to do is make sure that the town he is moving into will issue him a LTC.. Or find another town...
Last edited:
Post ban usually means without scary features. No ban is the one with scary features. He can bring in whatever pistol he wants as long as it isn't one of those pistols mentioned in the AWB and he doesn't have any high cap mags made after 1994.
The wacky pistol rules only apply to what a MA dealer can sell you in his MA shop. Not what you can own or possess or bring in with you when you move or sell privately on an FA10 form.
Here comes the part where everybody piles in with requests like your friend is Casey Kasem.
The wacky pistol rules only apply to what a MA dealer can sell you in his MA shop. Not what you can own or possess or bring in with you when you move or sell privately on an FA10 form.
Here comes the part where everybody piles in with requests like your friend is Casey Kasem.
If you're really a friend you'll talk him out of moving here![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
Yes, it is a post-ban as in no evil features. I think he is fine with pre-94 pistol mags as well. How does one know if an AK mag is pre-1994 or not? None of mine have dates. I know that friends dont let friends move to MA. Worse he is probably moving to Fall River which I cant imagine is firearm friendly.
Basically for AKs if it's post-11/94 manufacture it can't have a
bayo lug or folding stock on it, or a flash hider. (muzzle brake
is OK, though).
If he is going to move into MA, he should try to land in a green
town at least... I think Fall River is more along the lines of red or
yellow. There are probably some suburbs that are green,
though... he should definitely do the homework before settling
in.... it makes a HUGE difference. Being in an anti town in MA
is 10X worse than the ones that are green.... anti towns only issue
restricted licenses, and on top of that often add burdensome
requirements and are generally a pain in the ass to deal with.
-Mike
Unfortunately his options are very limited. He is moving in with family. Is there any sort of restriction on me holding them for him until he moves to a friendly town or better yet leaves the state? A time limit for example?
He can hold his guns up to 60 days without a license.... (they must
be locked up and not leave his home in that time interval) if it
takes longer than that, he could give them to you and you can
pretty much hold them indefinitely, as long as you have a valid
LTC. He could also let you hold them right off the bat, wouldn't
matter, long as you had safe storage space.
-Mike
1903Collector
NES Member
If you're really a friend you'll talk him out of moving here
That's exactly what I was thinking...
![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
Shouldn't matter much, as ME is a free state. He could then
get his license in MA, and then retrieve his stuff from you. He
would have to register all of his guns here on FA-10s, though, after
doing so; that's the only downside... because theoretically he didn't
"take residency" with them. (someone correct me if I'm wrong
here... but any guns not imported on the move to MA, if brought in
after the fact, have to be FA-10 registered... )
-Mike
- Joined
- Apr 4, 2007
- Messages
- 6,022
- Likes
- 757
So...if a friend of mine lived in NH, and he bought a gun that I really wanted. I could keep and use it in MA indefinately? And technically it would belong to him, I'd just have it for a long long long time?
What you're referring to is likely stepping on what I would call the
"grey line" between "borrowing" and a "straw purchase", which is a
federal felony. Not something I would do. at least not in the degree
you're probably thinking of. If cash changes hands or
someone is buying something on your behalf, you're in murky legal
territory at best, even if you decide to call it "borrowing".
-Mike
- Joined
- Apr 4, 2007
- Messages
- 6,022
- Likes
- 757
Yea. Understood.
But if said friend lent me a gun to use for 6 months and no cash exchanges hands, then it's borrowing and would probably be ok.
Fooped
Resident HK Guru
![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
Just make sure you have him buy at least 8 Springfields (any model will due - maybe half XDs and half GI model 1911s) before he moves. Then once he has his LTC, he can sell 4 in MA before the end of the year, and another 4 in January. With the price people pay for those things is MA, he can get quite a premium. There's a used XD 40 on the board right now listed at 850 (which apparently was the purchase price). In Free America you can get one new for 450!
Just make sure the board gets first shot at them!
Just make sure the board gets first shot at them!
LR308_GNR
NES Member
J
Jose
If you're really a friend you'll talk him out of moving here
+1,000,000
I cannot think of a worse state to move to. Even California is better, believe it or not.
Having to kiss some cop's ass for the "privilege" of even owning a firearm just rubs me the wrong way something fierce.
![[angry]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/008.gif "Angry [angry]")
I was suggesting Springfields over the brands above for two reasons.
One, there are very few (if any) grandfathered Springfields in this state, which makes then especially rare. Whereas you can find plenty of Colts, for instance, at any MA gun show, it's rare to come across a Springfield.
Two, they're relatively inexpensive. I think the G.I. 1911s and XDs are all around $500, which makes for a much lower upfront investment for someone looking to resell the guns.
But I'm being very serious when I suggest this - we all would love an influx of non-compliant guns, many people will pay for it, and it's completely legal to do so.
![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
I think CA is tied neck and neck with MA. In MA it is easier to
get an A/ALP than it is to get a CCW in CA. More towns are
green in MA compared to counties in CA, etc.
MA also doesn't have the terrible "roberti roos" AWB garbage,
either. 50% of the guns that I own would be illegal in CA.
You have a higher probability of being able to legally carry a
concealed weapon in MA than you would in CA.
The only real advantage in CA is that "mere posession" in ones
home or unloaded possession is free by default.... (as long
as the gun possessed isn't one they've banned!) that can be
worth a lot in many circumstances.
There are worse places to live than MA gun wise... Try NJ and
IL for starters. I'm sure though, that U-Haul deval and his
friends in MA legislature will be trying to "correct" their anti gun
deficiency, however.
-Mike
I think CA is tied neck and neck with MA. In MA it is easier to
get an A/ALP than it is to get a CCW in CA. More towns are
green in MA compared to counties in CA, etc.
MA also doesn't have the terrible "roberti roos" AWB garbage,
either. 50% of the guns that I own would be illegal in CA.
You have a higher probability of being able to legally carry a
concealed weapon in MA than you would in CA.
The only real advantage in CA is that "mere posession" in ones
home or unloaded possession is free by default.... (as long
as the gun possessed isn't one they've banned!) that can be
worth a lot in many circumstances.
There are worse places to live than MA gun wise... Try NJ and
IL for starters. I'm sure though, that U-Haul deval and his
friends in MA legislature will be trying to "correct" their anti gun
deficiency, however.
-Mike
Former CA resident here:
In CA, no license is required to buy a gun, just an ID, but there is a 10 day waiting period.
Like MA, CA has an approved roster, but it is FAR more extensive.
However, the BIG difference is that gun posession in the home is a right than cannot be revoked unless the gun owner becomes unsuitable by Federal law. That means the local CLEO cannot snap his fingers and on a whim revoke your LTC and confiscate your firearms.
Agreed- but this is offset by the fact that in CA there are very
few ways to circumvent the roster- as FTF handgun transfers
are banned, and IMO CA FFL's are under even more scrutiny than
MA ones are, so there aren't too many opportunities for
dealers doing wallhacks on the law and the like.
While I agree that is a big difference, the chances of the average
MA LTC-A holder getting hit with the random revocation axe are
actually pretty small. I agree it is a problem, and it is despicable
that they can do it at all, but how many people do you know that
have had an LTC yanked at random? If one keeps their nose
clean, it probably won't happen. (I still think the fact they can
do it is despicable, but let's look at a reality check here- for most
of us it's not that probable. )
Food for thought... according to Jim March's page, CA had like
38K worth of CCWers statewide... and that's nothing for a state
of it''s immense size. I'm relatively sure that MA has at least
double that worth of LTC/A/ALP holders. That's shocking when
you start to think about it, given the size of CA.
Then you add in Roberti-Roos and the terrible mag ban... at least
in MA you can work around it. (except for the newer
guns).
Then add in the "guns cost too much for no apparent
reason" problem. A buddy of mine shopped around for a SOCOM16
in the bay area in like a 1.5 hour radius... the best he was able to
do was find a shop that got him around $100 higher than the
price we could buy the same rifle at FS! Additionally, dealers
all wanted exorbitant fees to transfer guns in, so there was no
workaround to the crap prices.
And then theres the DROS poopy-cacca.... which is beyond
lame. I'm sure U-haul deval and friends have a similar idea in
the pipe, though...
Course I will be the first to concede that basically what we're
talking about is what kind of poison one is going to be drinking.
I'd rather have the MA poison... because (for me, and likely
many others) it's actually less restrictive than what they would
face in CA.
-Mike
