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Got three. 8, 10 and 16. Started shooting at 2.
I wasn't saying don't be reasonable. Just merely pointing out that you shouldn't treat guns like some mystical voodoo, because doing so make kids want to touch them more, not less.
Not saying you do Don, was throwing it out there in general.
My kids are 2 and 4 so I have a while before teaching them about guns, but my 4 year old saw me looking at the NES rifle classifieds and reached over and closed the page, saying something like "we don't look at guns." He's getting anti-training at daycare already I think. That's a bigger concern living in the nanny state. I figure when I teach them to shoot, hopefully demystifying guns will help with this issue.
Varmint, now he is going to tell his teacher "daddy was looking at guns."
You don't have a while.
You can begin normalizing firearms with the children now.
I never hid the fact that I carried guns or shot from my kids. When they hugged me, they felt it. I explained what it was and what it was for. I also explained to them that if they touch it without my supervision it can KILL them. Just like the stove. But just like the stove, when they got a bit older, they could use one all they wanted with my supervision.
We actually started the Eddie the Eagle drills before my children were 3. Stop, don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult. (get a reward). I figure by the time my oldest is 10 she'll be able to clear the gun before she tells the adult. ;-)
I have a friend with a very neurotic wife. They aren't allowed to know anything about them. Which kid is more likely to pick up a found gun at a friends house, Mine or my friend's?
Nickle - Your ideas above fail to take into account when your kids friends come to visit.
I'm also a bit of a wackjob when it comes to the ethics of self defense.
I talk with my kids about when its ok to hit someone back. I explain to them that if they ever hit someone first they will be in BIG BIG trouble. And if someone else threatens to hit them they are to run away. (these are girls, so there isn't any of that bravado stuff)
However I also teach them that if someone hits you and you can't get away, you can hit the other person back as hard as you can. Its ok. In fact, its the right thing to do. But I'd better not hear that you started it.
Then we go over scenarios.
We do most of this while riding in the car. If we didn't do it, I'd just be listening to them tell me about the things kids tell you about.
You don't have a while.
You can begin normalizing firearms with the children now.
I figure by the time my oldest is 10 she'll be able to clear the gun before she tells the adult. ;-)
Consider one that uses the 5 buttom Simplex lock - mechanical, reliable, no lockout period, and you can program it to open with as little as a single button press.
Another thing that people don't usually think of with this type of lock is that you can have a fairly complex code and just pre-punch all or part of the code when going to sleep. In the morning just turn the knob counterclockwise to reset.
I had a moderately sized bedroom safe with a mechanical dial lock. I tried to convince myself that would work. It would happen that half the time I'd forget that I had pre dialed the first 2 numbers. Or I'd get it wrong. It only worked about 25% of the time. I ended up installing a digital lock.
I don't want to get into a digital vs mechanical debate. All I'm saying is that trying to remember that you partially set up a lock to open is difficult in practice. It was too much for my weak brain anyway.
Don
Nickle - Your ideas above fail to take into account when your kids friends come to visit.
Best at comprimise for a quick action safe.
I had a moderately sized bedroom safe with a mechanical dial lock. I tried to convince myself that would work. It would happen that half the time I'd forget that I had pre dialed the first 2 numbers. Or I'd get it wrong. It only worked about 25% of the time. I ended up installing a digital lock.
I don't want to get into a digital vs mechanical debate. All I'm saying is that trying to remember that you partially set up a lock to open is difficult in practice. It was too much for my weak brain anyway.
Don
Shooting is a part of Olympic sports. I wonder how many people who might have no firearms experience (but be inherently nervous/anti) realize that.You don't have a while.
You can begin normalizing firearms with the children now.
I never hid the fact that I carried guns or shot from my kids. When they hugged me, they felt it. I explained what it was and what it was for. I also explained to them that if they touch it without my supervision it can KILL them. Just like the stove. But just like the stove, when they got a bit older, they could use one all they wanted with my supervision.
We actually started the Eddie the Eagle drills before my children were 3. Stop, don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult. (get a reward). I figure by the time my oldest is 10 she'll be able to clear the gun before she tells the adult. ;-)
I have a friend with a very neurotic wife. They aren't allowed to know anything about them. Which kid is more likely to pick up a found gun at a friends house, Mine or my friend's?
Nickle - Your ideas above fail to take into account when your kids friends come to visit.
A dial mechanical lock is not the same as a push-button mechanical lock with regards to quick access. "Simplex" is a push button lock. Very simple quick, durable to operate even in complete darkness. I was just pointing out an often overlooked feature of it.
Or you can have a really complex code by using the undocumented "half press" positions. Each push of the button rotates the wheel assembly 2 quanta, not one. This increases the possible combinations WAY above thhe 1825 or so possible with full press.Another thing that people don't usually think of with this type of lock is that you can have a fairly complex code and just pre-punch all or part of the code when going to sleep. In the morning just turn the knob counterclockwise to reset.
Dial (S&G Group II or better) is a high security lock. Simplex is a low/medium security, but easier to quickly operate especially in the dark. Different locks for different functions.A dial mechanical lock is not the same as a push-button mechanical lock with regards to quick access. "Simplex" is a push button lock. Very simple quick, durable to operate even in complete darkness. I was just pointing out an often overlooked feature of it.
I wonder how many shooters know that the UIT (governing body for Olympic shooting) is anti-gun. The UIT lobbied to keep IPSC out of the Olympics and the UIT president said IPSC was just an excuse for people to keep 45s they should be turning into the government. UIT also declared that no individual who participates in IPSC may be elected as a UIT representative (UIT threatened to disaffiliate any region that did so), and UIT competitors are not to participate in or support IPSC.Shooting is a part of Olympic sports. I wonder how many people who might have no firearms experience (but be inherently nervous/anti) realize that.
A dial mechanical lock is not the same as a push-button mechanical lock with regards to quick access. "Simplex" is a push button lock. Very simple quick, durable to operate even in complete darkness. I was just pointing out an often overlooked feature of it.
Shooting is a part of Olympic sports. I wonder how many people who might have no firearms experience (but be inherently nervous/anti) realize that.
I know that. I wasn't trying to draw any connection between the two other than that entering part of a combination ahead of time and trying to remember where you were and enter the final part under duress is a bad idea.
Or you can have a really complex code by using the undocumented "half press" positions. Each push of the button rotates the wheel assembly 2 quanta, not one. This increases the possible combinations WAY above thhe 1825 or so possible with full press.
Dial (S&G Group II or better) is a high security lock. Simplex is a low/medium security, but easier to quickly operate especially in the dark. Different locks for different functions.
I've never tried to see all the Eddie Eagle materials. How does that joke between proud adults mix with the program?You don't have a while.My kids are 2 and 4 so I have a while before teaching them about guns, ...
You can begin normalizing firearms with the children now.
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We actually started the Eddie the Eagle drills before my children were 3. Stop, don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult. (get a reward). I figure by the time my oldest is 10 she'll be able to clear the gun before she tells the adult. ;-) ...
If you let your 4-yo keep getting brainwashed by daycare providers, will you ever be able to undo it?but my 4 year old saw me looking at the NES rifle classifieds and reached over and closed the page, saying something like "we don't look at guns." He's getting anti-training at daycare already I think. That's a bigger concern living in the nanny state. I figure when I teach them to shoot, hopefully demystifying guns will help with this issue.
We live in a society that can make us choose needlessly between our our lives, and the lives of our friends. Have your kids learned how you want them to choose?
I've never tried to see all the Eddie Eagle materials. How does that joke between proud adults mix with the program?
- What have your kids learned to do if other kids won't leave the gun alone?
- What have your kids learned to do if another kid has already picked the gun up?
Now suppose your daughter does become a true elite operator by age 10. Her own Cricket. A vest full of patches. A shelf full of trophies.
- Under what circumstances do you want her getting fingerprints on a playground gun?
- Under what circumstances do you want her witnessed handling a gun in the absence of a licensed person?
Stupid questions? Obvious answers. But in the gravest extreme:
- Do you want to drive her to a memorial for some pudding-headed playmate who stood mesmerized until they caught a bullet ND'ed by another pudding-head fondling the playground piece?
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- Do you want her to defuse a deadly situation by clearing the piece? Even if she's immediately jacked up on possession charges? Tarred for life as a PP? Maybe lose your house to lawyer's fees to get the plea deal? Maybe have you found "unsuitable" or an unfit parent.
Because if Janie sees Johnnie waving a playground gun and she safes it, you just know that around here Janie's goin' to jail.
And the parents of all the other kids and the MSM will agree that she had it coming for being a gun nut.
We live in a society that can make us choose needlessly between our our lives, and the lives of our friends. Have your kids learned how you want them to choose?
If you let your 4-yo keep getting brainwashed by daycare providers, will you ever be able to undo it?
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