NH Phantom
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Should work. I use 5D tactical jig. I recommend them. Really wouldn't buy a jig to do just 1 though.
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An 07 doing work for another 07 works under a variance. A gunsmith cannot engage in manufacturing at all.
Might be a stupid question. Asking for a friend who bought an 80% from a guy in a place; are the jigs universal? If he had no jig, could he "find" one somewhere and use it for his lower?
Yes, the Gunsmiths I had spoken-with were full 07 License-holders.
are they? some seem proprietary and come with certain manufacturers 80% lowers. but also, i'm sure there are 80%s out there exactly like the standard colt m-4 style receiver shape. the jig from a polymer 80 lower won't fit my buddies lower of another manufacture that came without one.
personally, i think it's useless to buy an 80% and not get a jig at the same time. that's being a "skinflint."
Then they did not do the work as a gunsmith but as a manufacturer and if they did that without a variance from the ATF and they find out then you can visit them on alternate Thursdays.
There are folks in the state of MA who are fully licensed for “all the above”....it isn’t illegal or burdensome if you do the paperwork and obtain the proper credentials. These guys have their local ATF rep on speed-dial. If there is a question of legality, they don’t need to assume things or “wing-it” like the majority of the NES brain-trust. They make the call and ask how to proceed. I’ve been told the MA ATF folks are quite helpful and don’t play ‘gotcha’ games as some might be led to believe.....
A gunsmith performs certain tasks / procedures. A manufacturer performs other tasks / procedures.
A licensed gunsmith cannot lawfully complete a receiver for someone else, even a manufacturer.
A manufacturer cannot do ANY work for another manufacturer except under a variance.
You can ask Lisa for yourself. Do you need the phone number?
A manufacturer can subcontract (with that variance) for another manufacturer. Doing manufacturing work "for" someone that isn't an 07 feels like a violation. That's akin to taking someone's 80% and finishing it for them, then handing it back.
You have it backwards. I wasn't asking if an 07 can do work "for" someone else (non-07). I was asking if an 07 could have someone else (non-07) do piecework for them. An example might be for an 07 to contract with a local machine shop (non-07) to make bolts or maybe even the receiver. The non-07 is only producing that part under contract with the 07. The remainder of the manufacturing process is done by the 07 directly.
A manufacturer can subcontract (with that variance) for another manufacturer. Doing manufacturing work "for" someone that isn't an 07 feels like a violation. That's akin to taking someone's 80% and finishing it for them, then handing it back.
IF said 'manufacturer' filled-out a Form 4473, and then eFA-10'ed the finished product prior to transfer to the customer, what is the issue? Are you saying this can't be done legally in MA?
What namedpipes said.IF said 'manufacturer' filled-out a Form 4473, and then eFA-10'ed the finished product prior to transfer to the customer, what is the issue? Are you saying this can't be done legally in MA?
If you are keeping it for yourself you don’t need to do anything. That’s the reason for doing an 80So not to thread jack but once the 80 percent is done all that needs to be done is to serialize and register it?
If you are keeping it for yourself you don’t need to do anything. That’s the reason for doing an 80
Even being a MA resident ? If i was to put a S/N on it and reg it im I putting a target on my back due to the ban.
You are NOT required to put a serial number on it (and might have trouble finding an FFL that will even engrave that for you).
It's a matter of opinion (much like Maura's Personal AWB) whether you're required to efa-10 it, however, even if you do there is STILL no requirement for a serial number.
Actually, it's EXACTLY the same as Maura's PAWB. An unfounded opinion that someone articulated years ago and everybody just believed. Read further back in this thread for some data points.
No S/N required unless you go to dispose of the gun.
MGL requires you to register it (with NO S/N) within 7 days of it being completed. That is the interpretation of "acquired" used by those in the various legal departments of EOPS. Yes, I'm sure many don't register them. If at some time someone looks into it, I'd be surprised if they didn't face some legal action (based on knowing many of those that make these decisions).
MGL requires you to register it (with NO S/N) within 7 days of it being completed.
Anyone heard of someone registering a rifle built from an 80% post 7/20?
there are no letters coming back from Gulag.
You can send FA-10 and it would be an admission to Mora that you completed a rifle despite her edict. Balsy, but not a good idea.
Try no to register guns that you build "until it's able to discharge a shot", it's not illegal.
If you never put a completed upper on it, you never completed it! Not a firearm, never was, no need to register.
That's so funny - only in Massachusetts.
Everywhere else the receiver IS the firearm.
The state's idiocy actually works to your benefit here.
Most people probably wouldn’t register it as an “AR15”, so unless the AG wants to check out in person, they really won’t know what it is.Anyone heard of someone registering a rifle built from an 80% post 7/20?