Fear-mongering article on 3D-printed firearm parts on Staten Island

[DispositionMatrix]

Since the governor signed the Jose Webster Untraceable Firearms Act and the Scott J. Beigel Unfinished Receiver Act into law in 2021, any un-serialized frames or receivers are illegal to possess. Kits and, from what I can tell, other parts cannot--or will not--be shipped to a New York State address.
'Slow cooker' of death in S.I. basements: An inside look at ghost gun industry

 

[MAGA99]

I don’t think they have the authority to regulate such items….

 

[Realtor MA]

They are basically admitting that gun control can't/won't work.

 

[MisterHappy]

They are basically admitting that gun control can't/won't work, at the current level and needs to be increased. Because, that will show that they're 'doing something.

FIFY

 

[MGnoob]

Wow, that article is terrible on so many levels.

Known as ghost guns, these invisible weapons….

Now I want one.. how would you know if you lost it?

 

[Kevin_NH]

Known as ghost guns, these invisible weapons….
Now I want one.. how would you know if you lost it?

Maybe you've already got one, how would you know?

 

[wmassregulators]

all free people should own a 3d printer

 

[LLF]

As I understand it if you "create" a "ghost gun" without a serial number you are in violation of Federal law, which has required serial numbers on all firearms since 1968.
Furthermore, if you are in a state (like NY or MA) which requires a license to possess a firearm and you make a "ghost gun" and do not have a license, then you are also violating the law. A "ghost gun" as defined in the article is a "homemade" firearm presumably without a serial number. It is still a firearm and subject to the same restrictions and requirements as conventionally manufactured firearms. The hysteria about "ghost guns" is simply a distraction employed by the folks who want more gun control.

 

[Kevin_NH]

As I understand it if you "create" a "ghost gun" without a serial number you are in violation of Federal law, which has required serial numbers on all firearms since 1968.

False, there is no serialization requirement for privately made firearms (PMF).

Specifically, section 923(i) of the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended (18 U.S.C. Chapter 44), requires licensed importers and licensed manufacturers to identify, by means of a serial number, each firearm imported or manufactured. An individual building for himself is not "licensed"

 

[1sern]

all free people should own a 3d printer

Or even better a mill.

 

[pastera]

As I understand it if you "create" a "ghost gun" without a serial number you are in violation of Federal law, which has required serial numbers on all firearms since 1968.

Only for licensed manufacturers.
Personally manufactured guns don't need serials

Furthermore, if you are in a state (like NY or MA) which requires a license to possess a firearm and you make a "ghost gun" and do not have a license, then you are also violating the law.

An unconstitutional law is not a law.
Hopefully we will see this adjudicated in the near term

A "ghost gun" as defined in the article is a "homemade" firearm presumably without a serial number. It is still a firearm and subject to the same restrictions and requirements as conventionally manufactured firearms.

No, a commercially manufactured firearm has different requirements.

The term "ghost gun" is simply to create a negative view among the uninformed but vocal population of useful idiots.

The hysteria about "ghost guns" is simply a distraction employed by the folks who want more gun control.

True.

 

[Drix]

An unconstitutional law is not a law.
Hopefully we will see this adjudicated in the near term

All laws are constitutional until adjudicated otherwise, at that point they become unconstitutional in part or in full. Saying they are unconstitutional before that is an opinion and not fact.

Many would say all gun control laws are unconstitutional, however, time after time these laws are upheld by the legal system.

For a full list of US laws that were applied to a population who could then file a grievance with standing against said law and won see:

https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/unconstitutional-laws/

 

[Kevin_NH]

Harris-Biden administration and IL dem reps have already floated the idea of background checks for 3D printers and even for CAD files.
Guess somebody gave them a copy of Printcrime.

Or even better a mill.

And a friend who owns a lathe (the original "machine that can replicate itself") and knows how to use it (safely).

 

[pastera]

All laws are constitutional until adjudicated otherwise, at that point they become unconstitutional in part or in full. Saying they are unconstitutional before that is an opinion and not fact.

Many would say all gun control laws are unconstitutional, however, time after time these laws are upheld by the legal system.

For a full list of US laws that were applied to a population who could then file a grievance with standing against said law and won see:

https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/unconstitutional-laws/

Which is why I stated that unconstitutional requirements, like those to have a license to even possess within one's home, will hopefully be adjudicated in the near future.

With the NYSRPA v Bruen opinion many laws became objectively unconstitutional and now simply await adjudication through the slow judicial process

Edited: don't try to listen in on a meeting and type on a phone at the same time

 

[wmassregulators]

Or even better a mill.

both is good

 

[LLF]

False, there is no serialization requirement for privately made firearms (PMF).

Specifically, section 923(i) of the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended (18 U.S.C. Chapter 44), requires licensed importers and licensed manufacturers to identify, by means of a serial number, each firearm imported or manufactured. An individual building for himself is not "licensed"

Thank you Kevin_NH and Pastera for setting the record straight RE privately manufactured firearms. I stand corrected.
Pastera's comment RE unconstitutional licensing requirements notwithstanding, I still maintain that possession of a firearm (privately manufactured or not) without a license in a jurisdiction that requires such is a violation of that jurisdiction's laws. Thus the hysteria over "ghost guns" and the demands for new laws is entirely unnecessary.

 

[pastera]

Thank you Kevin_NH and Pastera for setting the record straight RE privately manufactured firearms. I stand corrected.
Pastera's comment RE unconstitutional licensing requirements notwithstanding, I still maintain that possession of a firearm (privately manufactured or not) without a license in a jurisdiction that requires such is a violation of that jurisdiction's laws. Thus the hysteria over "ghost guns" and the demands for new laws is entirely unnecessary.

Possession and carry are two different thing with Possession in the home already very clearly protected by Heller.
Licensing for carry is presumptively constitutional based on the plain reading of Bruen's dicta - I believe licensing will be upheld by SCOTUS as long as it's an 'affordable' and relatively fast process.
As far as simple possession, I've been seeing a lot of "outside his/her home without a license" type language in police reports from Mass I've been reading lately - so I think even in Mass they are hedging their bets so they don't run afoul of Bruen and create concrete case law killing most of Mass gun control.