Dry fire aids- anyone using them?

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Been eyeballing the mantis training aids for a while, especially given the cost of ammo.

Anyone using these and do they live up to the hype? I was thinking about getting a x10 for pistols and a blackbeardx for my ar's.

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So I did the math, with MA tax the Blackbeardx is $380, at the current cost of PMC 5.56, thats ballparking 1,100 clicks and its paid for itself. The battery is good for 100,000 clicks.
 
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was discussed here a million times - a target on amazon and a 9mm laser insert. works pretty great, and a half-inch wide target at 15-20ft is a good challenge to master well.
as of one in .223 caliber - i do not think they exist, mostly due the strength of the hammer, i think, that destroys the rubber switch cap in those lasers quickly.
 
as of one in .223 caliber - i do not think they exist, mostly due the strength of the hammer, i think, that destroys the rubber switch cap in those lasers quickly.
They do exist and last long enough to pay for themselves many times over compared to use of live ammo.
 

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nothing replaces live fire.
Dry fire is universally accepted as being a extremely important part of training by just about any shooting pro out there. Nothing may replace live fire, but dry fire augments your live and brings it to a new level.


The x10 elite is a module that you attach to your rail. It supposedly has a shot timer and gyroscopes/accelerometers to provide feedback to an app that tracks everything from draw time to travel and over travel for live fire and dry fire allowing you to practice draws hundreds of times at home, transitions, trigger work (it gives real time feedback on your trigger pull and whether you're cocking the gun or doing some other weird shit as you do it). The x10 does this all live or dry. The app will literally draw the path from start to shot on a target for you so you can see your flinches, trigger pull, etc.

For the AR they have a similar system but it replaces your bolt carrier, it offers all the same BUT resets your trigger, this lets you practice your transition, time between shots, draw speeds, etc. All valuable information to help you improve. In addition, if you have the laser system you can put a glow in the dark target down range in a basement or long hall and practice standing, kneeling, transitions, etc and use the laser to provide illumination for target. These seem very useful for practice.

So my question is, does anyone use any of these and do they live up to the hype?
 
nothing replaces live fire.

No, but dry fire helps reinforce skills and saves you a shitload of money. I'll never forget it.... i went shooting with a friend of mine who hadn't fired a gun in about 6-8 months, but what he did do was dry fire one of his glocks 3-5x a week for maybe 5-10 mins. When he was at the range finally the results were pretty good, he shot much better than he did a year ago... i couldn't believe it, the difference was pretty stark.
 
I remember reading a story years ago about an officer in the Rhodesian Army who was training recruits in his unit to shoot by dry firing only without live ammo whatsoever. Long story short, his guys shot at their qualifications about the same as other soldiers who'd burned through a substantial amount of ammo while training. For those of us who are not history buffs, Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe and, because of sanctions, saving ammo was essential for them.
 
I remember reading a story years ago about an officer in the Rhodesian Army who was training recruits in his unit to shoot by dry firing only without live ammo whatsoever. Long story short, his guys shot at their qualifications about the same as other soldiers who'd burned through a substantial amount of ammo while training. For those of us who are not history buffs, Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe and, because of sanctions, saving ammo was essential for them.
I would like to think that all NESers know about the Rhodesian bush war…..and the right arm of the free world!!
 
The ball and dummy drill is kind of related and also super useful. When at home, load up magazines for your range trip, but substitute, at random, a snap cap/dummy round or two for a live round in some or all of the magazines. By the time you get to the range you will have forgotten where the dummy rounds are. It will quickly reveal bad habits and flinching. I do this with new shooters especially and they say it's very helpful.

ETA: I use these. They are easy to find when you tap/rack:

Amazon product ASIN B009LOSKLMView: https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Parabellum-Trainer-Cartridge-Ammunition/dp/B009LOSKLM/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2X7V9891O6S0U&keywords=orange+dummy+round+9mm&qid=1678132057&sprefix=orange+dummy+round+%2Caps%2C276&sr=8-6
 
The ball and dummy drill is kind of related and also super useful. When at home, load up magazines for your range trip, but substitute, at random, a snap cap/dummy round or two for a live round in some or all of the magazines. By the time you get to the range you will have forgotten where the dummy rounds are. It will quickly reveal bad habits and flinching. I do this with new shooters especially and they say it's very helpful.

ETA: I use these. They are easy to find when you tap/rack:

Amazon product ASIN B009LOSKLMView: https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Parabellum-Trainer-Cartridge-Ammunition/dp/B009LOSKLM/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2X7V9891O6S0U&keywords=orange+dummy+round+9mm&qid=1678132057&sprefix=orange+dummy+round+%2Caps%2C276&sr=8-6
I do this but just throw all my ammo in a container loose with the snap caps and pull and load blindly while looking down range. Mix the mags before shooting, works pretty well.

I don't shoot anything that can give a bad mixup, and the reloader in me checks ammo in the box for f***ery anyway.
 
Mantis phone app with a laser insert from Amazon. Do this first unless you are made of money and can buy a dedicated indoor setup like something with a projector or TV.

The Mantis app even with just a regular bullseye target and the free portions of the app is a great training tool. It captures the POI and the muzzle movement at time of shot.
 
I remember reading a story years ago about an officer in the Rhodesian Army who was training recruits in his unit to shoot by dry firing only without live ammo whatsoever. Long story short, his guys shot at their qualifications about the same as other soldiers who'd burned through a substantial amount of ammo while training. For those of us who are not history buffs, Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe and, because of sanctions, saving ammo was essential for them.

A similar example of human performance was proven by the basketball experiment of Dr. Biasiotto at the University of Chicago.

He split people into three groups and tested each group on how many free throws they could make.

After they finished the testing, he had the first group practice free throws every day for an hour.

The second group just visualized themselves making free throws every day for an hour.

The third group did nothing.

After 30 days, he tested them all again.

The first group (practice) improved by 24%.

The second group (visualized) improved by 23%!

The third group (nothing) did not improve, which is something you would expect.

Another example relates to the story of Tatsuya Sakai, a Japanese sport shooter who won the 2004 Steel Challenge World Championship in Piru, California.

Since handguns cannot be legally obtained by civilians in Japan, he trained at home using an airsoft pistol.

A month before the championship he went to California to train with a real gun, and placed first; 0.59 seconds ahead of the next competitor.
 
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I would like to think that all NESers know about the Rhodesian bush war…..and the right arm of the free world!!
I stopped making assumptions about what people know or don't know after having a conversation with a female attorney(!) who thought that the 1st Amendment "allowed people to say whatever they wanted" and started googling it when I asked her to elaborate.
 
The ball and dummy drill is kind of related and also super useful. When at home, load up magazines for your range trip, but substitute, at random, a snap cap/dummy round or two for a live round in some or all of the magazines. By the time you get to the range you will have forgotten where the dummy rounds are. It will quickly reveal bad habits and flinching. I do this with new shooters especially and they say it's very helpful.

ETA: I use these. They are easy to find when you tap/rack:

Amazon product ASIN B009LOSKLMView: https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Parabellum-Trainer-Cartridge-Ammunition/dp/B009LOSKLM/ref=sr_1_6?crid=2X7V9891O6S0U&keywords=orange+dummy+round+9mm&qid=1678132057&sprefix=orange+dummy+round+%2Caps%2C276&sr=8-6

you can also get tons of malf drills in by buying Kimber 1911s or CMMG .22 AR conversoins.
 
Strikeman There's a 20% off code available.
 
I stopped making assumptions about what people know or don't know after having a conversation with a female attorney(!) who thought that the 1st Amendment "allowed people to say whatever they wanted" and started googling it when I asked her to elaborate.
Wow.

But you can’t be a ‘gun guy’ if you don’t k ow what Rhodesia is/was!!
 
I stopped making assumptions about what people know or don't know after having a conversation with a female attorney(!) who thought that the 1st Amendment "allowed people to say whatever they wanted" and started googling it when I asked her to elaborate.

lol you can get a law degree without studying the constitution no wonder we're f***ed
 
Sounds painful

I think if you combine Discovy for Prep and Viagra, you can solve both problems.

(Those "Prep" commercials are 100% creepy. I'm betting the cost of that stuff is mega-expensive given the target audience is so damned small.)
 
I would start with Stoeger's books and make sure your fundamentals are actually decent - otherwise your dry fire sessions will just be you practicing the wrong things.

I don't quite understand what lasers and apps do. The idea is that they allow you to see if your sights moved as you pulled the trigger... but you can see that literally just by looking at the sights. Maybe I'm missing something?
 
Another example relates to the story of Tatsuya Sakai, a Japanese sport shooter who won the 2004 Steel Challenge World Championship in Piru, California.

Since handguns cannot be legally obtained by civilians in Japan, he trained at home using an airsoft pistol.

That is another great point. I have a KWA airsoft pistol and two magazines, along with a comp-tac OWB holster that happens to fit that gun (it's SLIGHTLY different than a glock, so not every holster fits). I set up a paper plate stapled to one of those yard signs that landscaping companies leave in my back yard and practice that way as well. WEAR EYE PRO if you do this. It's also a great training aide.
 
I use a G-sight elms system. it helps.

As for the visualization if you read Zig Ziglar there is a story about a pow who played a round of golf every day in captivity and when he got out he played the best game of his life supposed hole in one on the first hole. probably just legend and my poor memory on the details.
 
Been eyeballing the mantis training aids for a while, especially given the cost of ammo.

Anyone using these and do they live up to the hype? I was thinking about getting a x10 for pistols and a blackbeardx for my ar's.

Edit:
So I did the math, with MA tax the Blackbeardx is $380, at the current cost of PMC 5.56, thats ballparking 1,100 clicks and its paid for itself. The battery is good for 100,000 clicks.
I have the Mantis. Use it in my basement with an iPhone. Works great but there is no recoil, so it does not replace live fire. I use it to develop more focus on my trigger pull/squeeze. FYI
 
I would start with Stoeger's books and make sure your fundamentals are actually decent - otherwise your dry fire sessions will just be you practicing the wrong things.

I don't quite understand what lasers and apps do. The idea is that they allow you to see if your sights moved as you pulled the trigger... but you can see that literally just by looking at the sights. Maybe I'm missing something?

I agree, if you're honest with your dry firing you don't need laser gimmicks.
 
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