headednorth
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I'm assuming you were In MA? Care to share what town? I'm just curious
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Did he just label all gun owners as cop-killers!?
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I wonder if the Secret Service thinks about dropping Joe off somewhere desolate to fend for himself. Granted it's their job to protect him but someone has got to be asking themselves "we have to take a bullet for this guy?"
EJFudd
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Irrespective of one's own personally held views, you have a point here and it's really tough to get around it. The DimocRATS know how to exaggerate the implications of the SCOTUS decision and a lot of otherwise intelligent women seem to be buying it. The real effect in the blue states (when concern is most high) is zero but that doesn't stop the DimocRATS from scaring the bejesus out of any woman who will listen.
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No left leaning, college educated woman would EVER vote for an R even if said R was neutral on abortion. Yes, to Leftists abortion is sacrosanct but NOT a Constitutional right so they can whine and cry and protest and riot all they want. Even Ginsburg agreed the Roe vs Wade decision was wrongly decided and should have been decided by the Legislature. Abortion and Trump are all the Leftists have to run on, Dementia Joes's record is a disaster.Irrespective of one's own personally held views, you have a point here and it's a really tough to get around it. The DimocRATS know how to exaggerate the implications of the SCOTUS decision and a lot of otherwise intelligent women seem to be buying it. The real effect in the blue states (when concern is most high) is zero but that doesn't stop the DimocRATS from scaring the bejesus out of any woman who will listen.
My girlfriend, x girlfriend as well actually, both voted D their whole life up to about the point where their careers really took off - then they actually became Trump voters 2x (funny how success does that, huh?).
This abortion stuff, although eventually they came to understand the SCOTUS thing is not actually making abortion illegal and I bet they keep voting R, is *exactly* what potentially sends them back to D land. Swing women voters particularly value Pro Choice.
I'd say gun owners ought to evaluate what issue is of greater importance - a conservative approach on 2A or abortion? Most I think would chose 2A - we probably will not get many candidates into office who take a strong conservative stance on both. It'd be good to advise politicians on that at every opportunity, ie "I'm pro 2A, despise gun control, and an tolerant to Pro Choice".
Irrespective of one's own personally held views, you have a point here and it's really tough to get around it. The DimocRATS know how to exaggerate the implications of the SCOTUS decision and a lot of otherwise intelligent women seem to be buying it. The real effect in the blue states (when concern is most high) is zero but that doesn't stop the DimocRATS from scaring the bejesus out of any woman who will listen.
Based on the women I know, I'm not sure you're giving them enough credit.
It's not Democrat exploitation of this particular SCOTUS decision that's likely to make them pull the lever. The pro-choice women I know have been pro-choice for decades, and this specific court case is not influencing them in favor of the Democrats: rather, every single time there's a significant move to restrict access to abortion, in any state, it's Republicans leading the charge. It's been that way for years and years.
They are well aware of that. They are already prepared to believe the worst about Republicans on abortion. Not because of this SCOTUS case, but because they're right: Republicans ARE the worst about abortion, from their perspective.
It's a long-held perspective and a long-standing trend. Pro-choice women are not empty headed little bimbos looking to be led one way or another by either party. They pay attention to this issue and, from their perspective, they're right to mistrust the GOP.
A lot of this is a symptom of crap candidates with crap party-line boilerplate platforms. When the choice is between crap candidate A and crap candidate B, people will vote on single issues and be done with it.
Some polling has been done, and only about 6% of Americans strongly support the democrat party line, and about 5% the GOP party line.
i think a lot of people have been gaslit into believing that other Americans support this stuff more than they really do.
EJFudd
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I'm not worried about DimocRAT women. They will never vote Republican anyway. I'm worried about center-right women... those who aren't full-on pro-life and are open to being swayed by the liberal media and by their DimocRAT friends. I'm been watching and listening to that happen. It ain't encouraging.
But my point was that this is a really tough problem with no easy solution. I'm not calling anyone empty-headed or a bimbo. Where did that come from?
It came from your apparent belief that there are huge hordes of women who are on the fence about this, being preyed on by Democrat propaganda and swallowing some sort of post-Roe kool-aid.
That's not the reality I've observed from the women I know. Nowhere near all of whom are leftys.
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I voted D. candidates from the '90s, until Obama's second term(voted against him then). The D party today is a dumpsterfire, overwhelmed by the ridiculous left pull. That said, the only thing that unites the left, the center and center-right is pro-Choice agenda.
If R's were all that interested in winning, they would have come out strong pro-balanced approach, like Europe. Instead, they keep "strengthening pro-Life". This is why they will loose in November. Not because the current administration and congress have messed up our economy, our military, and our lives. No! R's will loose because they went hard anti-choice. R's were given a gift by the SCOTUS and they squandered it by peddling to hard conservative wing of the party. This makes R.s as dumb as the D's with heir peddling to socialists
If R's were all that interested in winning, they would have come out strong pro-balanced approach, like Europe. Instead, they keep "strengthening pro-Life". This is why they will loose in November. Not because the current administration and congress have messed up our economy, our military, and our lives. No! R's will loose because they went hard anti-choice. R's were given a gift by the SCOTUS and they squandered it by peddling to hard conservative wing of the party. This makes R.s as dumb as the D's with heir peddling to socialists
SpaceCritter
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No, they'll lose for the same reason they lost in 2020: copious cheating.
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That's a cop-out that lets R's get away with doing nothing. Investigate if there is a sign of fraud(many did) when you have to. Sentence offenders to the fullest extent of the law if they cheated (which was done too) but to use this as an excuse is either lazy or myopic on R's side.
It's like D's keep bringing Trump out two years after he left office. I'm so tired of both pro- and anti-Trumpers: both keep rehashing the past meanwhile the insane are running the asylum.
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SpaceCritter
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They're not lazy. They COULD have, for instance, tightened elections in New Hampshire, where they had the General Court AND the Governor's Office AND the Executive Council. Half of the Republican Party are those creatures known as RINOs (including - and speaking of - New Hampshire's governor).
He's not out of office yet.
SpaceCritter
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Don't go looking for a charismatic leader - we're past that now, the Establishment IS the Dictatorship. Much like Xi can drop dead and he'd be immediately replaced by another apparatchik.
Quite accurate. The modern American system doesn’t have a center that you can point to as the one guy in charge. People always want to point to one guy in charge. If only we could put a stop to George Soros, we could fix things! I’m sure you’ve seen many variations of that sentiment.
It’s a classic oligarchy, where rule is distributed among various power centers; MSM, universities, NGO’s, the state department and unelected bureaucracy etc all establish a consensus via interconnected feedback loops.
Elections are largely an anachronism, as elected officials become subservient to the oligarchy. You can put a Trump in the White House and nothing happens except for the oligarchy getting angry and revealing it’s nature a bit.
A lot of people have taken to calling it the deep state, which is crudely accurate, but misses the fact that many of these institutions that exert the most power are not part of the government, at least not formally.
I’m sorry if that’s a depressing picture I’ve painted.
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I’m kind of pro life, but don’t really care about what other people do. I can’t save the world and would rather just stay in my own lane.
I do enjoy leftie sluts losing their minds over the abortion thing though. I know all it means is they have to drive a little farther to have their cream pie trophies murdered and has no real effect, but the outrage makes me warm inside.
The Republican Party has a long way to go if they want to start winning on merit and not just “anyone but the democrat.”
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