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40 Creedmoor fan said:
Kinda old school stuff. Not very robust and easy to triangulate. Meshtastic is the new way to communicate. Encrypted, mesh networking(means difficult to pinpoint the source of transmission), low power, and long range(mile and miles). The equipment is cheap, software is open source(free) and does not track you.

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Mesh networking doesn't do anything to prevent finding the transmitters. It just means other units join in the broadcasting as well so it's harder to find the origin, but all participating units are very easily triangulated just as with HAM/GMRS. And with a mesh the low power/long range depends on your neighbors having those things and keeping them on for you - not a likely scenario which means they're low power/short range instead. It's neat though in its vastly expanded capabilities including text messaging.
 
waehrik said:
Mesh networking doesn't do anything to prevent finding the transmitters. It just means other units join in the broadcasting as well so it's harder to find the origin, but all participating units are very easily triangulated just as with HAM/GMRS. And with a mesh the low power/long range depends on your neighbors having those things and keeping them on for you - not a likely scenario which means they're low power/short range instead. It's neat though in its vastly expanded capabilities including text messaging.
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Oh no. It's a lot more! The military uses $30,000 in encrypted radios to avoid being listened to. Meshtastic gives it to you out of the box! If one can't decrypt the message, one can't tell who is sending it or what is being told. It could be a high-school science project for all they know! I'm pretty sure they won't bomb a school where students put up a repeater node on the roof with an atmospheric sensor.
Second, it's impossible to identify the message's source or content. So if there are many nodes(hint, hint), chasing each node and shutting it down when the message could be coming from 300 miles away is an exercise in futility. Also, each device costs about $20. Get 10 of them with 3-4 day batteries, drop 'em off over 200 square miles, and you have a mobile network that will be difficult to disrupt or destroy.

Third, a typical radio is point-to-point; all you need to disrupt that connection is to jam/destroy just one transmitter. With mesh, even if you destroy one transmitter, the message will arrive via another route. Yes, one could deploy a repeater, but that would require a LOT more energy, whereas a Meshtastics device can run off solar while charging a batter that can last for 3-4 days in case it gets cloudy.

I forgot to mention that $10,000 gets you a small satellite launched by SpaceX, which can be left in a geostationary orbit above the US and act as a node for retransmission across the country. There are already several public and two (as of a year ago, but there could be dozens by now) private ones. Can someone destroy a satellite? Of course, but what would be the cost? An anti-satellite missile is not cheap. One can bankrupt a small country for the price of one of those missiles.
 
Mesh networking is nothing new. A little more than a decade ago I ran a 65 node mesh wifi net across about 200 acres. Solar on top of 30' poles and batteries good for 2-3 days, with5 of the nodes anchored to the wired net. It's not a big deal to set all thuis up. When one or more nodes go off-line the other cover for them. It's a good fault torrerant system to cover a wide open area.
But RF is what it is and can be located and blocked. And since a jammer isn't held to the same rules as a legit transmitter, a single unit can have significantly more power and thus have a much wider affect.
They can be helpful, but they are not magic.
 
jkelly1229 said:
Thats because your not cool enough to be in the radio group
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Broc said:
Yes. We usually start conversations asking "A/S/L?"
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American Sign Language. You can sign over a radio??? No wonder you guys are using them. The technology is FAR superior to what I assumed.
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
Oh no. It's a lot more! The military uses $30,000 in encrypted radios to avoid being listened to. Meshtastic gives it to you out of the box! If one can't decrypt the message, one can't tell who is sending it or what is being told. It could be a high-school science project for all they know! I'm pretty sure they won't bomb a school where students put up a repeater node on the roof with an atmospheric sensor.
Second, it's impossible to identify the message's source or content. So if there are many nodes(hint, hint), chasing each node and shutting it down when the message could be coming from 300 miles away is an exercise in futility. Also, each device costs about $20. Get 10 of them with 3-4 day batteries, drop 'em off over 200 square miles, and you have a mobile network that will be difficult to disrupt or destroy.

Third, a typical radio is point-to-point; all you need to disrupt that connection is to jam/destroy just one transmitter. With mesh, even if you destroy one transmitter, the message will arrive via another route. Yes, one could deploy a repeater, but that would require a LOT more energy, whereas a Meshtastics device can run off solar while charging a batter that can last for 3-4 days in case it gets cloudy.

I forgot to mention that $10,000 gets you a small satellite launched by SpaceX, which can be left in a geostationary orbit above the US and act as a node for retransmission across the country. There are already several public and two (as of a year ago, but there could be dozens by now) private ones. Can someone destroy a satellite? Of course, but what would be the cost? An anti-satellite missile is not cheap. One can bankrupt a small country for the price of one of those missiles.
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Correct, the encryption prevents the conversation from being listed in on but it doesn't prevent anyone from finding where the transmission came from. Regardless of whether or not the signal is scrambled it's easy to see that there's something there. For a basic example, you can see your neighbor's WIFI access points even though they're (hopefully) encrypted. They could stop broadcasting their SSID, sure, but sniff around the 2.4 and 5ghz bands and you'll see the signals still.
You're absolutely right that if the technology becomes ubiquitous then it'll be impossible to tell who is transmitting what, whether it's a normal communication or super secret squirrel stuff. But it isn't there yet and likely won't be ever just because most people won't care.

$10k might get you a launch slot for a cubesat but it certainly doesn't get you any of the hardware that you're putting up there. And that sort of hardware isn't going to be supporting anywhere near the bandwidth that you'd need to run realtime communications, not to mention the significant ground based transceiver setup to talk to it within its power constraints. It's a neat idea but wishful thinking within the constraints of what's possible right now.
 
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I had one of these in my cart and decided to pass for now as I have been spending a lot of dough lately, and I already have a spare BCG.

I know I will regret it later when I need one and spend more.

I would consider this a good deal. AO Precision is an OEM supplier to bigger name firms in the same manner as Toolcraft.

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CatSnoutSoup said:
I had one of these in my cart and decided to pass for now as I have been spending a lot of dough lately, and I already have a spare BCG.

I know I will regret it later when I need one and spend more.

I would consider this a good deal. AO Precision is an OEM supplier to bigger name firms in the same manner as Toolcraft.

$76.45 in your cart when you use the code "FEBRUARY"


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42! said:
Mesh networking is nothing new. A little more than a decade ago I ran a 65 node mesh wifi net across about 200 acres. Solar on top of 30' poles and batteries good for 2-3 days, with5 of the nodes anchored to the wired net. It's not a big deal to set all thuis up. When one or more nodes go off-line the other cover for them. It's a good fault torrerant system to cover a wide open area.
But RF is what it is and can be located and blocked. And since a jammer isn't held to the same rules as a legit transmitter, a single unit can have significantly more power and thus have a much wider affect.
They can be helpful, but they are not magic.
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You are correct; it is nothing new. Very few things are without being based on prior inventions but let me ask you, how much did the system you ran cost equipment-wise? What was each node's power consumption? Who put up those 30-foot poles? How visible was it? Would you have been able to deploy such a mesh network in the middle of nowhere? What about in a densely populated area? Was it encrypted and could not be eavesdropped?

Meshtastic is affordable. Very affordable. Nodes can be placed in a waterproof container, covered by leaves/branches, made virtually invisible, and still have a 1-2 mile range. Each unit's cost is low enough to be abandoned if needed without incurring a heavy financial loss. The range of these units makes it possible to send/receive from a moving vehicle.

None of these capabilities by themselves makes them unique or special. Make Meshtastic special is that it is a collection of
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
You are correct; it is nothing new. Very few things are without being based on prior inventions but let me ask you, how much did the system you ran cost equipment-wise? Honestly don't remember, it was all off the shelf stuff, Rukus. What was each node's power consumption? Again, don't remember the specifics, the single panel and deep cycle bat were sized for 3+ days of power, if the weather was so bad that they weren't charging beyond that we had little reason to be out there.Who put up those 30-foot poles? We did, full facilities dept. with bucket truck. How visible was it? a few were on buildings, most were on 30' telephone poles across 200 acres, so not hidden. Would you have been able to deploy such a mesh network in the middle of nowhere? What about in a densely populated area? sure, could have mounted them on trees or buildings where viewing angles would hid the panel. In fact the openness of the land made it more difficult, not less. Was it encrypted and could not be eavesdropped? Absolutely

Meshtastic is affordable. Very affordable. Nodes can be placed in a waterproof container, covered by leaves/branches, made virtually invisible, and still have a 1-2 mile range. Each unit's cost is low enough to be abandoned if needed without incurring a heavy financial loss. The range of these units makes it possible to send/receive from a moving vehicle.

None of these capabilities by themselves makes them unique or special. Make Meshtastic special is that it is a collection of
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Jenska22 said:
AT that price I knew they weren't a premium item, just basically do they work at all as advertised.
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After I bought my NcStar, I took it off my rifle and put it on my pellet gun.. Like slapshot said, chinese crap. It was all over the place. Not familiar with that model. Might be good for a .22 at that price.
 
MassPete said:
After I bought my NcStar, I took it off my rifle and put it on my pellet gun.. Like slapshot said, chinese crap. It was all over the place. Not familiar with that model. Might be good for a .22 at that price.
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Was the pellet gun a break barrel type? Because the forwards and reverse recoil impulse from the spring or gas ram action on those is far more harsh than most centerfire rifles. Break barrel pellet guns require optics made to withstand their recoil. If it was a CO2 or PCP gun then there's no excuse for the scope - those have less recoil than a 22LR.
 
chris_1001 said:
I just bought the extended warranty on mine.
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If the dam thing was extended I would not have had to return a broken product in the first place!

Last time I returned a worn out Fleshlight to the porn shop the lady behind the counter accused me of being a rapist and being to rough.

All said with a twinkle in her eye.

I asked if she had an extended warranty for the next one.

She said my girlfriend (Who is a lingerie model) must have a blown out cervix.

I agreed and told that that while she heals I utilize the Fleshlight for my needs.
 
Reptile said:
If the dam thing was extended I would not have had to return a broken product in the first place!

Last time I returned a worn out Fleshlight to the porn shop the lady behind the counter accused me of being a rapist and being to rough.

All said with a twinkle in her eye.

I asked if she had an extended warranty for the next one.

She said my girlfriend (Who is a lingerie model) must have a blown out cervix.

I agreed and told that that while she heals I utilize the Fleshlight for my needs.
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There is a reason we call you rapetile.

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Reptile said:
If the dam thing was extended I would not have had to return a broken product in the first place!

Last time I returned a worn out Fleshlight to the porn shop the lady behind the counter accused me of being a rapist and being to rough.

All said with a twinkle in her eye.

I asked if she had an extended warranty for the next one.

She said my girlfriend (Who is a lingerie model) must have a blown out cervix.

I agreed and told that that while she heals I utilize the Fleshlight for my needs.
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Dude, please change your SN to "Ether Bunny".
 

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