Confederate Civil War Rifle on eBay - Won't last long....

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Rare Civil War Rifle Confederate Rising Breach Carbine, Bilharz, Hall & Company


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Civil-...h-Carbine-Bilharz-Hall-Company-/191959964049?

$49,500 or Make Offer


Probably won't be up long before some anti rats it out.


Think it's genuine ?
 
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Great story on the auction site. Beautiful gun, too rich for my blood however. Hopefully it will make a nice museum piece.
 
It's really cool, with the amazing unusual look that so many truly vintage arms have.

I'm shocked it is still up on eBay.

eBay allows NO complete arms, not even Antiques. The Seller is cruisin' for a bruisin'.

Sellers even sell Muzzle-Loader KITS without Barrels, with the Barrel on a separate Auction. Which apparently is alright.

It would be just my luck to only win HALF a gun, so I avoid those Auctions like the pox.

The Confederacy was just so ill-prepared.
 
(Bilharz, Hall & Company). SN 85. One of the great rarities in Confederate arms collecting and one of the most sought after long arms in the arms collecting field is this Rising Breech Carbine. Its origins have long been the subject of much controversy in the confederate arms collecting field being attributed to a number of Southern armories and manufacturers. Recent research and much study by well known arms scholar Howard Michael Madaus and reported in published works, has shown that this carbine, once attributed to D.C Hodgkins, is actually the product of the Bihharz, Hall & Company of Pittsylvania Court House, Virginia. This firm also produced a muzzle loading percussion carbine.
The identify of die stampings, rifling, and other manufacturing details associated with the muzzle loading carbine and the Rising Breech Carbine have led scholars to this attribution of this rare carbine to this Virginia firm. This carbine is in .54 caliber Serial Number 85, and fired a paper cartridge. The breechblock rises vertically when the trigger guard/lever is lowered. Iron mounted on a two-piece walnut stock, the round barrel measures 21” long and secured by a single flat barrel band. There is a sling ring mounted on the left side of the stock. The serial number appears on the frame, breechblock, inside the lever and on the underside of the butt plate. “CS” is stamped on the breech of the barrel and on the breechblock and the proof mark “P” is found beneath the barrel as well. The front sight is a pinched blade style with a three leaf graduated rear sight. The Bilharz, Hall & Company gun factory was built in what was a tin shop/foundry on Main Street in the Town of Chatham, Pittsylvania County, Virginia.
According to the deed, its location was in back of the Masonic Lodge Hall some 1400 feet north of the Courthouse on land the partnership purchased of George A. Carter. Candidus Bilharz was the principle in the firm. Bilharz was an immigrant from Balden, Germany who was naturalized in Pittsylvania County in 1859. He was a harness maker, vintner/distiller, miller and mechanic who lived near Tanyard Branch in Chatham.
Bilharz was connected to the prominent Bolanz family, which emigrated from Baden, Germany also. Bilharz’s partner George Hall was a prominent businessman who owned a small tin shop along with extensive land holdings in the county. Records show him acting in various official capacities on behalf of the county during the Civil War. Col. Coleman D. Bennet was a silent partner in the firm and was presumably its chief benefactor. Bennett was a man of enormous wealth who owned vast tracts of county land plus a whole block of buildings on Main Street in downtown Chatham. Records show that thirty-eight people were employed by the gun works, and those fit for military service were given Confederate draft deferments due to their profession. Some of the names of the employees were as follows: G.C. Haden, A.C. Haden, R.L. Haden, John H. Shelton, Nathaniel Shelton, C.L. Mott, James Motley, B. Riddle, J.D. Reynolds, B. Reynolds, J.T. Abbott, C.P. Oakes, John H. Brown, M.B. Dickson, William Brown, Frank Compton, R.W. Hall, J. Beaver, J.H.C. Hutcherson, and Benjamin Dyer. Ages of the workers ranged from 18 to 40. Job titles included the following: Stocker, Rifling Hand, Polisher, Vice Hand, Band Holder, Helper and Mechanic.
The 400 or so firearms of all types produced from August of 1862 through March of 1864 (when operations ceased) were manufactured under contract with the Confederate Ordinance Department. Records also show that the firm purchased thousands of pounds of “skelp iron” from the Confederate government for use in rifle barrels. Interestingly, the company also manufactured 1745 wooden stocks at a dollar each for other rifle factories. These carbines did not receive favorable reports from Confederate ordnance inspectors; nonetheless, they most certainly saw service in the arms strapped South. ONLY 100 of these Rising Breech Carbines are thought to have been produced with only a handful known examples in the collecting world. Here is a superb opportunity to obtain one of the rarest of Confederate long arms in excellent condition.

 
The more I think about this, the more I believe it is genuine.

At one time even Bannerman's is said to have taken common Civil War era Revolvers and simply stamped them CSA. That's a lazy fake.

There are many serious fakes of CSA weapons, but given the effort of building an entire rifle, this one was likely real.

Plus, I'll bet it even has provenance of being in an established collection for decades.
 
i have seen alot of civil war rifles, that one looks too clean and shiny to be real. there is giant money in faking these rifles, that is why there are so many fakes out there.
 
But there were also a lot of weapons built that sat in armories unissued due to more arms than troops, so finding mint examples isn't as unusual as finding WW1/WW2 unissued weapons.
 
But there were also a lot of weapons built that sat in armories unissued due to more arms than troops, so finding mint examples isn't as unusual as finding WW1/WW2 unissued weapons.

I thought the Confederacy was desperate for anything that shot.
 
I thought that's what an old timer told me but maybe he was talking about the Union side. It was definitely civil war guns we were talking about though and why you can find a lot in such new condition.
 
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