Channel 22 I-Team Report on Gun Loophole

There must be something wrong with me. I am personally ashamed of the fact that I have not taken advantage of all these "loop holes." I am not worthy, someone please come and take all my guns away.
 
connor said:
Looks like another fear-mongering piece about 30 caliber 30 magazine clip ghost guns. That conveniently forgets to mention 3D printers and zip guns, and the ability of someone with a basic knowledge of how a firearm works and how to use shop tools to make a "real" gun.

People made weapons for thousands of years, and firearms for hundreds of years, without the benefit of CNC mills, CAD, internet blueprints, power tools, or 80%lower kits.

With a little more time and a little more attention to detail you can machine a complete lower from a billet, 80% lower be damned. Are people going to be calling for the ATF/AG to regulate billets and drill presses?

Probably.
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Once they start putting chips in people and the chip and everything they do and buy is tracked, yes drill presses and raw metal will be regulated. No "normal" person who just works and pays rent and grocery bills will have a "need" for such things.
 
TruthTellers said:
Once they start putting chips in people and the chip and everything they do and buy is tracked, yes drill presses and raw metal will be regulated. No "normal" person who just works and pays rent and grocery bills will have a "need" for such things.
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Don't forget we'll need the chip to buy groceries.
 
Where's the investigative I team on illegals getting benefits here then more benefits over there. Last I knew 2nd amendment didn't say my attorney general can ban firearms, limit ammo, or even need a license.
 
TOY539 said:
Don't forget we'll need the chip to buy groceries.
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I know that, I'm talking about anything beyond necessities.

One of the things I wonder about under Communism is in the Soviet Union or Mao's China they needed physical workers, but as the 21st Century unfolds technology is advancing and automation is becoming more common. What happens when the central party has all the automation it needs to keep themselves fat and happy and the rest of the commoners have no use? Mao didn't care about the millions of his people who starved to death and I don't expect it to be any different when Socialism rules America.
 
TruthTellers said:
I know that, I'm talking about anything beyond necessities.

One of the things I wonder about under Communism is in the Soviet Union or Mao's China they needed physical workers, but as the 21st Century unfolds technology is advancing and automation is becoming more common. What happens when the central party has all the automation it needs to keep themselves fat and happy and the rest of the commoners have no use? Mao didn't care about the millions of his people who starved to death and I don't expect it to be any different when Socialism rules America.
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This is a co-ordinated attack along with the Glob POS report and the Gun Parlor BS. All propaganda in advance of public hearing this week and moar anti-2A unconstitutional crap for legislature to push out of their collective intestines.
 
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I'm still waiting for them to find out about Boris's AK and start banning shit shovels in this state.

Can you imagine all the people who visit home depot every day and walk down the isle with all the shovels? Think of all the children those shovels could murder! Close the shovel loophole! [rolleyes]
 
Here is the story:

Unregistered, untraceable guns recovered in Massachusetts

BOSTON, Mass. (WWLP) - Many of the guns seized in Massachusetts are registered in other states.

According to the ATF, 178 guns from New Hampshire, 105 guns from Maine, 63 guns for Florida, and 57 guns from Georgia were used to commit crimes in Massachusetts last year.

The 22News I-Team discovered, some crime guns can't be traced back to their original owner, because they were purchased online in pieces, and assembled by an individual.

They're called "ghost guns," and the pieces to make them can legally be purchased over the Internet in most states with an FID card.

Ghost guns are made with an unfinished receiver, which is the pistol frame that houses internal components such as the hammer, and firing mechanism. Most of the time, they don’t have a serial number, but do require some modification.

http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/unregistered-untraceable-guns-recovered-in-massachusetts/

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Fail.
 
Mario Torchia owns Nick's Sports Shop in Palmer. He doesn't build guns, but showed the I-Team how the process would work. “This will be not finished, and you will be missing a couple pins that still need to be drilled out.”

Torchia told the I-Team as gun laws get stricter, ghost guns get more appealing. “I think the government, by banning these types of guns, has created that market. So now, you have a whole market of legal gun owners that want these guns, that can build them, and the state has no record of them.”
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(http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/unregistered-untraceable-guns-recovered-in-massachusetts/)

A lot of new gun requirements are met with push-back. 22News spoke with one gun store owner who says this law makes sense.

"in the event that someone in your family has a living trust or a trust and leaves an automatic weapon to you, maybe at the time of the trust you were a good person, but maybe now your not so good," said Roger Beaupre, Owner of Whiskey Hill Sports in West Warren.
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http://wwlp.com/investigative-story/i-team-gun-trusts-can-avoid-background-checks/

Two more names, two more retailers. [hmmm]

The people running these shops need to understand that 1) the media is not their friend, and 2) no good can possibly come of talking with them. Every single response to media from anyone even tangentially attached to firearms ought to be complete silence or a refusal to talk about firearms in any capacity.

"Hey, do you own a gun?"
"So, you a Sox fan?"

And anyone giving any more info that that ought to be finding a new line of work. Seriously. Assisting them in their fact finding guides them in screwing us harder. Leaving them to their own devices produces things like this:

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WWLP has always had an anti-gun slant. One of their past "investigative reporters" who'd always project from his boot-licking perspective, is now a spokesperson for the Springfield PD.

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Mickey Leadingham is the Special Agent in Charge of the ATF's Boston Field Division. He told the I-Team, when someone uses a gun to commit a crime, law enforcement will use the serial number to track that gun to its original owner. “There's no serial numbers or makings on that firearm that could allow us, the ATF, to track that back to the original manufacturer, because he or she is the manufacturer.”

Leadingham told the I-Team a receiver qualifies as a firearm, which means if you manufacture it, you're legally required to register it. If you don't, you're committing a felony. “If you're caught with that firearm you could be prosecuted, because once you turn that into an actual firearm, you're in violation of federal law.”


This is bullshit.

You can complete an 80% lower for your PERSONAL USE without registering it with anyone.
If you complete it and then sell it, that's when you're crossing that line because now you're a manufacturer.

As usual, they're blending truth and fiction for the sound bite.
 
allen-1 said:
This is bullshit.

You can complete an 80% lower for your PERSONAL USE without registering it with anyone.
If you complete it and then sell it, that's when you're crossing that line because now you're a manufacturer.

As usual, they're blending truth and fiction for the sound bite.
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Lots of purposefully false, deceiving and misleading information in that Channel 22 report. Funny that they aren't allowing comments. Gee, I wonder why not? [thinking]
 
EJFudd said:
Lots of purposefully false, deceiving and misleading information in that Channel 22 report. Funny that they aren't allowing comments. Gee, I wonder why not? [thinking]
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Shocker [hmmm]

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allen-1 said:
Mickey Leadingham is the Special Agent in Charge of the ATF's Boston Field Division. He told the I-Team, when someone uses a gun to commit a crime, law enforcement will use the serial number to track that gun to its original owner. “There's no serial numbers or makings on that firearm that could allow us, the ATF, to track that back to the original manufacturer, because he or she is the manufacturer.”

Leadingham told the I-Team a receiver qualifies as a firearm, which means if you manufacture it, you're legally required to register it. If you don't, you're committing a felony. “If you're caught with that firearm you could be prosecuted, because once you turn that into an actual firearm, you're in violation of federal law.”


This is bullshit.

You can complete an 80% lower for your PERSONAL USE without registering it with anyone.
If you complete it and then sell it, that's when you're crossing that line because now you're a manufacturer.

As usual, they're blending truth and fiction for the sound bite.
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And making up lawrs? There is a national firearm registry now? I know that we have backdoor registration here, but most states don't require registration. Can the ATF enforce STATE lawrs?
 
Here's a thought,

Why don't we have someone like GOAL or Comm2A do a LIVEinterview with this ATF agent in charge and question him on what he is saying in these past two articles. Question him with facts, MGL numbers or codes, constitution, state and federal law.

Do it on a live streaming feed and let it show that the ATF Federal Agent is either lying, or being used and expose all these reporters.
 
Channel 22 is following up their hard-hitting, fact-filled, honest investigation by referring to AR-15s in this morning's news as "machine guns", especially in their reporting of the court case in Connecticut against Remington Arms stemming rom the Sandy Hook shooting.
 
FPrice said:
Channel 22 is following up their hard-hitting, fact-filled, honest investigation by referring to AR-15s in this morning's news as "machine guns", especially in their reporting of the court case in Connecticut against Remington Arms stemming rom the Sandy Hook shooting.
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Not to get too far off-topic, but the CT case is a classic example of sleazy lawyers trying to snag a big out-of-court settlement out of the other party when their case is crap. Somebody needs to read them the decision that left the Colorado theater families $250,000 poorer because they ended up paying the other party's legal bills. If I recall, Remington bought Bushmaster after Sandy Hook, but having deep pockets, they're in court now.
 
Another dealer talkin to the press, what the F, this isn't complicated the press will twist what you say. Shut the F up.

Gotta love the way they make it look like all it takes to make a gun from an 80% is pop in a couple pins. Bet the shop didn't think they would do that.

STOP TALKING TO THE PRESS!!!
 
Laughable how misinformed these reporters are. At least have someone that's knowledgeable in firearms to do the reporting, or was she the best they had?

Obliterated serial numbers are not ghost guns, idiots.
 
pupchow said:
I've been to the "old" Nick's, and don't think I'll be visiting to the new Nick's, after that.

As for Whiskey Hill?

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Whipe? A combination of wipe and whip? What are they saying here. Do both? Whip it out and wipe it down?
 
42! said:
Another dealer talkin to the press, what the F, this isn't complicated the press will twist what you say. Shut the F up.

Gotta love the way they make it look like all it takes to make a gun from an 80% is pop in a couple pins. Bet the shop didn't think they would do that.

STOP TALKING TO THE PRESS!!!
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This is exactly how everyone in MA who values a right loses. I’m all set with setting foot in any of these few idiot shops for any reason.
 
Your local Lowe's and Home Depot are full of gun parts.


Phillip A. Luty was a Briton who took a hard philosophical line against gun control legislation in the UK in the 1990s. In response to more restrictive gun control laws, he set out to prove that all such laws were ultimately futile by showing that one could manufacture a functional firearm from hardware store goods, without using any purpose-made firearms parts.
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