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Article: TX: SAPD uses stun gun on man carrying rifle
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Easy to tell what the chief thinks about serfs :
Chief William McManus said:
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Source of the cancer right there. Time to cut it out.
Interesting on how they mention this:
Makes you wonder if they are setting up a legal challenge to the states supreme court for local preemption
Makes you wonder if they are setting up a legal challenge to the states supreme court for local preemption
Volkl78
Banned
I believe in open carry but until it becomes more common especially in the case of rifles the public's response will continue to be one of fear. If I was home with the kids and a guy with an AK came down the street I would certainly grab my gun just in case, if he was open carrying a handgun I might not think much of it. You just never know these days!
The Chief gives the reason that some in the community and "his officers" felt uncomfortable and that's why the kid got tazed. Well, frankly, law enforcement in its current form make me really, really uncomfortable!
I don't know? Maybe because I grew up in a hick town where seeing someone with a rifle slung across their back was more common (in the months of November through December) than cars on the road, I don't see the problem. I mean, I get threatened every day by bad drivers then I would by someone minding their business, walking down the street, carrying a rifle and, I never call the cops. Crap! Bad drivers can kill you too, right?
StevensMarksman
I don't know? Maybe because I grew up in a hick town where seeing someone with a rifle slung across their back was more common (in the months of November through December) than cars on the road, I don't see the problem. I mean, I get threatened every day by bad drivers then I would by someone minding their business, walking down the street, carrying a rifle and, I never call the cops. Crap! Bad drivers can kill you too, right?
StevensMarksman
I would suggest to start worrying a bit earlier, perhaps at least when they start drawing their gun out of their holster glaring at you ?
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I would suggest to start worrying a bit earlier, perhaps at least when they start drawing their gun out of their holster glaring at you ?
If I got upset every time someone lit up a newport, showed their war face, and whipped out a sidearm I'd have a lot more bodies notched into my mags.
Chevy 2 65
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The only way a situation like this starts is by a cop harassing a law abiding citizen. You can't say a person is "looking to get harassed" by doing nothing illegal. Its like saying a girl is cutoff shorts is "looking to get raped".
2 totally different things. Even if this argument is valid, the guy with the gun has the ability to cause harm, the girl with shorts could bring harm to herself, not others.
I agree, this kid is an idiot. Cops responded to freaked out neighbors, they gave him chances to defuse the situation. He could have complied and calmed the situation down.
Although the chiefs response is a little scary.... Comply even if you think the cop is being unlawful. I guess because they can shoot to kill with almost no repercussions.
Twigg
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Sooner or later, one of these citizens will shoot back.
Wow. Another thread in which someone actually exercises the right to keep and BEAR arms, and people suggest that makes you an idiot and moron, that people who exercise a right are looking for trouble and want to be accosted and attacked, and that you should just give up your rights and comply. You just never know these days.
My goodness. This is a firearms forum yet people come out of the woodwork AGAINST actual carry of firearms. Disheartening.
He was an idiot for not putting the gun down when told to by an LEO. You mean to tell me that if you saw someone carrying a rifle through your neighborhood at night in the rain you wouldn't grab your gun? Be suspicious? Wonder why he is carrying a rifle around? If my kids are out splashing in puddles and I see this guy, I get nervous. You would too, so did people who saw him. Cops were just checking him out.
He'd be a bigger idiot for touching a gun when being accosted by police. Touching a firearm, even if it is to put it down, when confronted by police increases your chances of being shot by police.
I wouldn't call 911. I also wouldn't taze him.
Clearly they weren't 'just checking him out'. What a ridiculous characterization of what happened. Using a taser on someone isn't 'just checking [someone] out'.
There is a huge gaping chasm between you checking something out, and you asking the government to go harass so done and threaten them with kidnapping for you.
The two are NOT the same.
You wouldn't call 911 because your comfortable with guns around. Others are not. Keep that in mind. You wouldn't taze him because your not a cop (probably), and not subject to some of the anger towards them that you are expressing right now.
They were checking him out, saw he had a rifle, asked him to put it down. They tazed him because he didn't follow their instructions to put a firearm down, not because he had one in the first place. Texas has the open carry law, the kid was NOT breaking any laws. Open carrying in a non-threatening way is legal in texas, the trouble starts when he refuses to comply with the cop.
Decide for yourself how you would handle this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't subscribe to this whole "wave my guns around in the air because I have a right to" mentality.
Why should he comply when police are breaking the law by harassing him??
Yeah.... I guess I wasn't looking at it that way. I guess I just understand the LEO's worries and concerns and he has to respond to the calls from the neighbors... The law states that you can carry a rifle in a non threatening manner. And that is what he was doing. A drive buy, a nod from the cops probably would have shown that he wasn't a threat to anyone. How does the LEO balance multiple phone calls from freaked out soccer moms? I guess by driving by, determining that the kid is no threat and moving on....
They claim the city has an ordinance of no open carry that supersedes state law... I wonder how it will play out.
falcon123
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Using that logic then do you run into the house when you see a car coming down the street? Might be grandma or a drunk driver. We all know that cars crashing into buildings are an almost daily occurrence.
So now we are suppose to call police when we are not 'comfortable'? What terrible logic.
I get it. It doesn't matter what you are doing, or whether there is even a reason for what a cop is telling you to do. You must comply or they get to taze you. Sad.
Again, you are saying he wasn't breaking any laws, yet needs to comply with cops anyways, when he has neither a reason or obligation to do so. Sad.
Another intentional misrepresentation. He wasn't waving a gun around. Regardless, I find the mentality of "I'm scared, call the police" and worse, "Just comply" to be a much more dangerous mentality.
Yup. When isn't the chief the root of the problem ? I've heard it in person myself. Shoot first , worry about consequences after. Yeah, right.
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The solution to that is simple. If the only reason the person is calling is because someone is carrying a gun, they are informed that is legal. If so inclined, they can dispatch an officer to the caller. If they really want, an officer can drive by and see what is going on. When they see someone is just open carrying, there needs not be any contact. There should not be any contact. And if there is, they certainly shouldn't be accosting and assaulting the individual.
No response to the rest of the post? I'll assume I was close.
No response to the rest of the post? I'll assume I was close.
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