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Your astute grasp of reality is showing
This is why a OUI draws a temporary loss of driving privileges, but any gun offense (at least in MA) brings a lifetime loss of gun rights.
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American tourist facing possible 12-year prison sentence after ammo found in luggage in Turks and Caicos
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Varmint
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T&C wasn’t on my list but it’s now on my Do Not Go list.
Hopefully word will get out and it’ll hurt their business.
Varmint
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And we’re terrified that they allow millions of young unemployed Muslim men into their cute little countries, when that doesn’t bother them a bit.
Lol, your list should be *.* , most countries don't allow unwashed people to have guns or ammo and will act accordingly. (Aka, they're going to go full retard on "offenders". ) T&C is hardly unique in this overreaction.
Varmint
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These are cases where US customs allowed (through incompetence) ammo into a carry on bag. This should be US customs getting in trouble, not the hapless tourist. If he acquired the ammo in country or smuggled it in, then absolutely he should get jail time.
Countries like this would be shitholes without US tourists. Fock them if they want to bite the hand that feeds them.
Most of them these days are shitholes with a veneer to distact tourists. Mexico is a great example. Lots of tourists, but lots of "gonads and strife" beyond the tourist hotspots. Hell half the cruise destinations are like "don't leave the resort!" Once you show up. There are calm places in the turd world (which Europe is rapidly entering) but they require a lot of ground game knowledge. Fundamentally I agree with you they should just confiscate the shit they dont like, administer a warning and be done with it instead of creating some f***ing local legal dramafest but they're generally too stupid for their own good... relying on US Customs or the TSA to save you is a path to disaster. They only care about the domestic production of security theater at best......
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Did you have a loicense? Just because it happened doesn't make it illegal. Just because someone trusted in faith doesn't make it illegal either. In reality most vendors used to ship here ages ago without worrying about a loicense. Shithouse Mc Faggot vendors like cheaper than dirt used to ship here without caring. That was the buyers responsibility, which is the way it was before the AGa started acting more 150% douchebag. Before scott shitbarger came along this basically wasn't a problem. It was always the possessors responsibility.
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I was not licensed at the time. A bigger concern was my school. I would have been booted...
SHOCKNAWE
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I remember when I was going through the training for the Seabrook Power plant armed security. They drilled it into us about the zero tolerance policy for any blacklisted items coming into the plant, as well as no guns or ammo even in your car in the parking lot.
Well Ofcourse one kid got jammed up hard going through the metal.detector going into the plant for a loose round of 5.56 in his bag.
It was the same type of thing - he had no idea it was in there, he just grabbed the bag because he left his other one in his girls car or whatever.
Shit happens if your not 100% on checking and clearing anything.
Well Ofcourse one kid got jammed up hard going through the metal.detector going into the plant for a loose round of 5.56 in his bag.
It was the same type of thing - he had no idea it was in there, he just grabbed the bag because he left his other one in his girls car or whatever.
Shit happens if your not 100% on checking and clearing anything.
Your astute grasp of reality is showing
I think i had an aneurysm when posting that, thinking that some of these shitholes are actually like that......or a lot of them have what is at best a twisted variation of presumption of innocence.
Griner comes to mind. How dare they enforce their local laws! Also I swear that swapping her for Viktor Bout was intentional trolling from the Biden admin against red blooded Americans, but that's another story.
Yes there are always exceptions but for the most part cops in the USA are not corrupt. Also corruption works both ways. Sometimes for relatively short money you can get yourself out of a jam that in the USA would ruin your life. Years ago one of our dumbass salespeople ignored my advice about a border hop to "boys' town" in Matamoros. You roll with the "self valet" scam for kids to watch your car for a fee rather than park somewhere else and generally don't be a dick. He got drunk, was an ass at the strip bar, and no surprise was rolled by the local cops for the contents of his wallet ~$200. I laughed when he bitched about it and asked what would have been the financial impact of a work related DUI in the US.
knoxy
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Got a cousin jail for life in FL due to 3 strikes laws. Granted he's a shitbag. Think his charges were assault, robbery, and kidnapping
This all goes back to who is in the white house. Elections have consequences. If we had a real president, any country relying on tourism would be afraid to have headlines of their future tourists facing potentially 12 years in jail for some loose rounds. But for a guy in the white house who gives a billion per hostage, T&C probably thinks they could get something out of this... not a billion dollars but something. I'm sure if Trump was president this would have be over before Trump could pick up the phone and threaten them.
Blackmore
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This happened to a SIGForum member last year. He was detained for nearly two months while he fought it and spent $10000s for lawyers, etc down there + $6000 fine but finally was allowed to return to USA.
Jason Flare
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This.This happened to a SIGForum member last year. He was detained for nearly two months while he fought it and spent $10000s for lawyers, etc down there + $6000 fine but finally was allowed to return to USA.
They want money.
They don’t want this guy for 12 years.
Edit to add: So there’s two ways to win this. Boycott T&C or pay them to release the guy.
But as Allen said about SCUBA divers and others not into guns there is no love lost to the American gun culture.
First of all, the guy isn’t a dumbass unless he was deliberately bringing them there. And no, that isn’t what shocks people. What shocks people is human rights violations, and absurd punishments for victimless crimes. And it shocks people when it happens in this country, just as much as when it happens in some Caribbean shit hole.
A person I know, unknowingly, flew to one of the islands with ammo, in the carry on. Didn't know he had the ammo with him until he was in the hotel. He dumped it in the ocean.
I am pretty sure the punishment would have been greater than your 30 round mag in NJ. Therefore, you have been one-upped.
This is a great point, i think most people look at it from the point of view of USA citizen where we have a right ....... like it or not, these people went to a foreign country and violated that countries gun laws (which are crazy strict).
and who uses a hunting bag or a range bag as a carry on?
SHOCKNAWE
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We have embassies and diplomats for every country in the world, for victimless crimes it's not ridiculous to think that said embassy or diplomat could at least try and work something out or fast track the outcome to situations like this.
I highly doubt every diplomat we have are so busy they can't attempt some sort of resolve for stuff like this
Devils Paintbrush
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Just tell them you were involved in a "drive by" shooting. /s
Had a business trip to Albuquerque about 5 years ago and when I was coming home, the TSA guy looked in my original packaging and didn't close it up correctly.
Caused the box to open up and rounds all over in my bag.
Fast forward the next trip to Korea and I did check for loose rounds, but noticed when packing my bag to return home, there was a loose .45 round in the bag. Luckily, no one found it.
Took that round and buried it in the flower garden in the front of the hotel I was staying at. That must have been an interesting day when that was found.
I doubt the guy will do 12 years. He will pay a heavy fine...I mean bribe and go about his business.
Tim_McD
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His responsibility - his kit; rounds don’t crawl into a carry-on bag on their own. Carelessness is the very definition of dumbass
No violation of human rights has been alleged. He violated a local ordinance in a foreign country (ignorance of the law is not an excuse nor is intent a mitigating factor) and is being detained pending his appearance in front of the magistrate
blindndead
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Ill take public cain whipping for $500 Alex!
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This is the kind of mentality that enables the status quo of tyrannical laws. Yes, it is a human rights violation. Locking someone in a cage and/or stealing their money, who hasn’t done anything to harm anyone is as much of a human rights violation as there is.
Rounds do accidentally end up places, sometimes due to forgetfulness. You’ve heard that in this thread. I’ve had it happened to me. After a range session, having picked up and pocketed an ejected live round that didn’t fire earlier, it turned up in my suitcase on a work trip. TSA didn’t catch it. I’m not a dumbass. That’s a simple mistake. It does happen, and no one deserves to be punished for it.
SpaceCritter
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...as if I needed yet another reason to avoid cruises.
I had to fly to Michigan for some training. Had a layover in Chicago. All I had was a carry-on with a change of clothes/hygiene gear. Security flagged my bag for inspection, made me throw away my aftershave. Pissed me off because it was half full and some nice aftershave. Anyways, get to my hotel in Michigan and got my clothes out to iron them for the next day and in my carry on bag I find a fully loaded G19 mag. I just emptied it and tossed the rounds, no issues returning home.
Might be a response to rise in shootings there, with the British "Let's just disarm everybody" attitude.
‘Barbaric’ homicides surge in Turks and Caicos amid drug-related violence
Islands have become a battle ground for warring crime groups seeking to dominate the local drug market
www.theguardian.com
Yes - I remember this. The cruise line (NCL) posted several notices and had announcements about it. A guy we met was all "THEY CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO... AMERIKUH" and he wore multiple pieces of camo. He was escorted back to the ship with a ticket.
It's probably just extortion and seen as a revenue source but most countries have crap like that. Bribes are accepted and encouraged in many countries.
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