American Sniper compared to DC Sniper as "mass murderer"

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I am getting tired of the far left liberals who despise the military. We fought for their right to say what they want, but they keep pushing the envelope. First it was Professor Michael Avery at the college I graduated from Suffolk University who said it was “shameful” that there was a program at the school to send care packages to US Troops overseas because they are killers and they are only liked because of a “residual sympathy” for the troops from WWII. Now we have Max Blumenthal comparing the American Sniper to the mass murdering in Washington DC (and I am not talking about Obama with his drone strikes).
One thing I have noticed is that of all these liberals who despise the military, none ever served.

I am very glad to see that today's military is for the most part held in high regard. During Vietnam we were called baby killers and our cars keyed we were spit at and generally despised by many of the people who are now college professors, those liberals bastions of free thought (right?)
I served 4 years during Vietnam, my draft number was 365 - I volunteered to go, I wanted to go. I think we should be like Israel with mandatory service!

Here is the link for Bloomenthal

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/max_blumenthal_america_sniper_chris_kyle_was_just_a_popular_mass_murderer.html
 
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This isn't anything new from blumenthal, he's done this stuff many times. No one anywhere pays attention to him, he's a tool looking for attention but still no one even looks at him.
 
Hiw long would Bloominthal hold up in ISIS controlled Iraq? Dooooosh

Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk Pro - typos are from the GD auto correct unless they are funny substitutions those I'll take credit for.
 
I served 4 years during Vietnam,

Thank you very much for your service sir. I clearly remember the Vietnam years (although a bit too young still to be able to serve in it) and I respect and admire what you were asked to endure, and what you should not have endured (but did) from those traitor scum liberal bastids!
 
Ben, I too believe in conscription. Doesn't have to be an armed force only, I think there are other ways citizens could serve there country for a couple years and see what is really out there.

I think it the Swiss that have a law that every home must own a gun.
 
thanks for your service Ben... you cannot reason with stupid..people never cease to amaze me

on a different note about your service, I was not around during the draft but how did the number thing work? you mentioned you were 365. Can you explain thanks again
 
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every year they would randomly assign numbers to each day in the year. If you were lucky and were born on the day assigned number 1, say May 15th you were guaranteed to go. Every year they would determine how much cannon fodder they needed and would call up all people born on those days. usually 1-135 or so. So the gold medal of draft numbers was 365, I wouldn't have gone in WWII that is why my recruiter questioned my sanity!

Luckydog I am half Swiss, although we have been here since 1720 and I had 25 ancestors who fought in the Revolution, The Swiss require every male to serve in the military and they are in the militia until they are 45 or 50 and have to keep their FULL-AUTO gun at home. a good like to see this is the video down on the following page http://padell.org/146.html
 
I think a large issue is many people(at least the majority I have actual conversations with) do not see
what out US troops are being asked to do by our government as defending our freedom or our Constitution.
A 17 kid chimed in on a conversation and asked.
Why is the US military getting involved with countries that have no desire to actually change anything regardless of who is in charge of that country. He then went on to ask,why it's ok for US to bomb people with drones and kill innocent people in the process. The drone strikes are also sentencing people to a death penalty with out and sort of a trial.
Several people I talk to basically feel OUR US GOV. Basically uses our men and women in the military as mercenaries.....
One older women made a good point in one of these discussions.
If we where using out military force to end the murder or poor treatment of people only we would have been in many many more places through out the world. Her firm belief is follow the money...
She brought up our marines first mission beyond our shores....to deal with the pirates.. was,not about the pirates killing people or repressing freedom but about the goods being lost.

There is no winning with those who are dead set on their belief or feelings on how or why the military is what it is. There are those who will say bad no matter what and those that will say good.

We did not attack the country saudi Arabia after 911 after it was know 15 of the 19 high hackers where from there....we did nothing to Saudi nothing. Some are passed about that.
I have fortune enough to know several 70 plus year olds that have been in military or other gov positions. All,most all said once we stopped fighting communist the country was on a faster path to being like the rest of the world again.
Crazy times.
 
I think a large issue is many people(at least the majority I have actual conversations with) do not see
what out US troops are being asked to do by our government as defending our freedom or our Constitution.

I have this conversation frequently and I tell these people that I agree with them. I also tell them I signed up to serve and go where I am lawfully ordered to go - and that they, the voter, are the person that sent me there and if they don't like it they should vote someone else in office. A common response is "when can I vote?" [banghead]
 
This was emailed to me.

American Sniper Has Created a Cultural Moment: Here's Why
By David French
At 9:30 P.M. on Saturday night, a packed theater in Franklin, Tenn., was completely quiet. As the credits rolled, some folks were filing out, but many more were standing, still looking at the screen, honoring the man whose life they’d just seen portrayed on the silver screen.
Before the movie, I’d never seen the parking lot so crowded. I had to park more than a quarter-mile away, hidden in the corner of a restaurant parking lot (hoping I wouldn’t be towed), and watched in amazement as people were streaming into the theater from parking spaces scattered far and wide. It almost goes without saying when a January movie release breaks $90 million in three days, but I felt as if I was witnessing an important cultural moment. This movie was striking a chord in America beyond any post 9/11 movie — beyond even the best of movies about the War on Terror, including Lone Survivor. I think I know why.
First — and most important — it’s a phenomenal movie. America is awash in “message movies,” left and (recently) on the right. While there are some people who’ll attend movies just to make a statement, most of us want to see good movies, with the right statement merely an optional bonus. American Sniper is better than good. It’s one of the best war movies I’ve ever seen, and is now in the pantheon of my all-time favorite movies of any type. Bradley Cooper is outstanding, and the movie pulls off something I’ve never truly seen in a war film: It creates fully realized characters both inside and outside the combat environment. By the end of the movie, we feel that we understand who Chris Kyle was, who is wife is, what they endured, and what motivated them. They’re not one-dimensional heroes but fully realized people who did heroic things.
Second, it tells a story that America isn’t told. I’ve beaten this drum for a while now, but one of my core criticisms of movies about the War on Terror is that they flinch — not when telling of the horrors of war for American soldiers — but when describing the true nature of the enemy. American Sniper goes where no movie has gone before in showing how the enemy uses children, kills children, and savagely tortures its enemies (Kyle discovers a torture room in Fallujah, and its portrayal is very close to reality). The movie isn’t excessively grisly (so wide audiences can see it), but one doesn’t need to show the close-up of a terrorist killing a young boy with a power drill to understand what just happened. When Kyle describes the enemy as “savages,” you know exactly why, and you agree with him.
But it’s not just telling the story of the enemy, but also of a key reality about our soldiers that many Americans don’t get. Of course war is horrifying. There are real consequences in PTSD and survivor guilt, and for tens of thousands there are real consequences in enduring physical wounds. Your psychological reality can essentially “flip” for a time so that you become a better functioning warrior than you are husband or father (in one telling moment, Kyle lands back in Iraq for yet another deployment, and a fellow SEAL tells him “welcome home”). But here’s the thing: The vast majority of soldiers get through that trauma and emerge on the other side, often better men. At the end of the movie, we see a Chris Kyle who is a good husband and father — who is truly “home” — extending his mission of helping his brothers by helping them heal.
This is an important story. Yes, there is grief that endures. And, yes, there are often wounds that won’t fully heal. But there is also fierce pride in service, new insights on life and our world, new appreciation for the blessings of liberty and the love of family, and many other perspectives and experiences that enrich the lives of veterans and veterans’ families. It was just as critical to see Chris Kyle heal as it was to see him suffer.
Finally, the movie gives America something it’s lacked since the start of the war — a war hero on a truly national, cultural scale. Yes, we’ve learned the stories of Marcus Luttrell and others who’ve achieved great and heroic things, but with the success of this movie, Chris Kyle has entered the pantheon of American warriors — along with Alvin C. York and Audie Murphy — giving a new generation of young boys a warrior-hero to look up to, to emulate. After all, our kids’ heroes can’t be — must not be — exclusively quarterbacks, rappers, or point guards.
No one is claiming that Chris Kyle is Jesus. Every human being has flaws. And he risked no more and no less than the thousands upon thousands of anonymous soldiers and Marines who fought house-to-house during their own turns downrange, but he undeniably did his job better than any man who came before him — or any man since — and he did that job as part of his selfless service to our nation. I’m thankful that my own son counts Chris Kyle as a hero.
Leftists such as Michael Moore will rage on, and professors will judge the movie without seeing it — and all that backlash may cost the movie an Oscar — but Clint Eastwood has done something far greater than win an Oscar. He reached a great nation with a story it needed to hear.
 
mac1911 said:
She brought up our marines first mission beyond our shores....to deal with the pirates.. was,not about the pirates killing people or repressing freedom but about the goods being lost.

You lost an opportunity there. The pirates were killing people when they took the ships carrying the goods and then held survivors for ransom. They were being paid a tribute to NOT attack shipping, a long standing tradition that was previously being paid by England and after the start of hostilities with the colonies, France picked it up. The security of Americans, shipping and commerce then fell to us. I cannot think of a more just reaction.

not about the pirates killing people or repressing freedom

OMG

You should have asked her to convert an 80,000$ US bribe in 1785 to current dollars to prevent such attacks and then have the ransom ignored and her family taken hostage and demand more payment. I'm sure she would not want the USA to do anything to help her captive family.

After the United States won its independence in the treaty of 1783, it had to protect its own commerce against dangers such as the Barbary pirates. As early as 1784 Congress followed the tradition of the European shipping powers and appropriated $80,000 as tribute to the Barbary states, directing its ministers in Europe, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, to begin negotiations with them. Trouble began the next year, in July 1785, when Algerians captured two American ships and the dey of Algiers held their crews of twenty-one people for a ransom of nearly $60,000.

I wonder what she thinks about Somalian pirates today? The SEALs that took out the pirates holding the Captain were there for the money?

Complete article at: America and the Barbary Pirates: An
International Battle Against an Unconventional Foe

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/jefferson_papers/mtjprece.html
 
I think it would be better to have mandatory universal training in high school and then leave actual service as entirely voluntary. The public would have an idea of the military works and many basic skills imparted, often neglected in today's society, which would be not only useful for life, but in national emergencies.

Keeping the military as entirely voluntary maintains morale and professionalism. I'd rather have a military comprised of people signed up of their own free will than an army of essentially temporarily bonded slaves.
 
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