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Long Guns in MA

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by strakkr, Jul 17, 2017.

  1. strakkr

    strakkr NES Member

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    I am very new to shooting, only 4 yrs. experience mainly with handguns. I am interested in getting started with rifles for home defense etc. Any suggestions where to start?
     
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    In another state.

    Sorry, that was an easy one. [smile]
     
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  3. ogre11rugby

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    Kel-Tec Sub-2000 is a fun Home Defense rifle. Takes magazines from several different types of handguns. I have a Glock 22 and mine takes the same magazine. You don't have to buy the more expensive rifle ammo. Also it folds in half easy to put in a backpack. I take mine to the range on my motorcycle.

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    So many variables. What do you want to do with it? Want cheap ammo or real expensive ammo? New style rifle or WW2 style?
     
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    If he said home defense, I would be shocked if he was thinking ww2 style.

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  6. Dakar652

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    For home defense you probably shouldn't be thinking of getting a rifle...the projectiles penetrate too much and travel too fast to be able to fire safely in a small setting like a house. A 12 guage shotgun will stop anything in line of sight, but will also not penetrate walls (or at least not with still lethal velocities) endangering other members of your household in adjacent rooms.
     
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    A 12 gauge loaded with 00 buck or slugs can, and will certainly penetrate sheetrock and maintain lethal velocities. If the rounds hit studs of course, it'll slow 'em down but I would not rely on sheetrock to stop a 12 gauge round from reaching my loved ones, were I to miss my intended target. [wink]
     
  8. Dakar652

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    Meant to add...loaded with birdshot.

    Leave it to NES to find the one thing I accidentally omitted and pick apart and delegitamize/discount my entire statement. ;D

    And plus...who here misses their target. I thought world class shooting comes with the $20 member fee to NES?
     
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    5 DOLLAR FOOT LONG NES Member

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    Please do not actually do this.
     
  10. StevieP

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    For home defense a shotgun would be a better tool.

    For rifle for home defense you would be wanting an AR carbine with a red-dot sight.

    Someone who owned one in-state prior to 7/20/2016 will be happy to sell you one. Check out the Tavors, too.
     
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  11. Dakar652

    Dakar652 NES Member

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    I'll bite...

    ¿Por que?
     
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    What about #4 buckshot as opposed to 00 Buck? Would that be a good compromise between birdshot and 00?
     
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    Really? I'm willing to bet this would get the job done.

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  14. whacko

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    Why not? High brass 1 1/4 ounce birdshot loads have their place in home defense. Best 13 minutes of information you'll ever get on buck vs bird shot in a hd gun is right below. If you watch this video and still think birdshot is a bad idea in all circumstances you just are not paying attention. Paul Harrell is my new favorite YouTube channel. Btw.....my shotgun is loaded with #4 high brass 12 gauge......longest shot self defense in my 960 square foot home is 7 yards!

    Don't be so "closed minded" and realize your personal layout may not be everyones layout. And #4 high brass loads pack a whallop at 5 yards.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR1EVybUgc
     
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    Why yes it would. Watch this video

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CiHHgjaR0TI
     
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    AR
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  17. whacko

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    What if he lives in a condo?
     
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    My understanding is 5.56 at short ranges splinters as soon as it hits something and has relatively low penetration. Personally I have a .45 handgun with defense ammo, but will break out the AR for home defense when the FSA starts getting restless.
     
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    Yes and no. It depends on the load you use. 00 buck is going through multiple walls. 4 bucks and 3 buck an outer wall will usually stop it. Birdshot......well.....depends on the load you chose.

    Watch the videos I pasted in on posts 14 and 15. Best info I've ever seen with good tests on different loads. You'll be glad you watched it.
     
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    Sgt./Maj. Kyle E. Lamb doesn't think a rifles a bad idea.
    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/26/the-ar-for-home-defense-one-experts-opinion/

     
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