21 killed, 18 injured in shooting at elementary school in Uvalde, Texas

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Yep. R's know a vote for gun control will mean imminent death to their congressional careers from their constituents. There's going to be a lot of hyper-bowl coming in the next weeks to months, but just like Sandy Hook and Parkland, I doubt we'll see much come out of it. Other then the typical fear spending on guns and ammo.
 
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the role the Left's culture wars play in events such as this one. The left is operating an open "girl power" propaganda campaign with the goal of advancing women and girls at the expense of men and boys via open hostility aimed at destroying male masculinity. This is particularly evident in today's public schools.

One of the effects of this campaign has been the creation of (now multiple) generations of boys who will/have grow/n into angry young men who are full of despair, lacking any capacity for self-reliance, and lacking any positive vision for a bright future. Hell, you can even throw in the destruction of the nuclear family and the lack of strong, positive male influence in boys' lives. If you can isolate those who have lost (or never had) the capacity for empathy, you likely have a fairly large pool of candidates who could be manipulated into crossing the line of the unimaginable and venting their frustrations with society on society.
Demasculating men will without a doubt make them more prone to outbursts of violence. A scared or insecure male is a violent and unpredictable one. That's a core psychology concept. The left is hell bent on pretending that male aggression is bad, etc.

As usual the left cant get out of their own way and is more interesting in burning everything down for reasons. The good news is there are very few tough or formidable leftists males. Afterall, via their dogma men are to be raised as pussbags.
 
As Liberalism/Socialism has risen in America leading to Left Wing Mentality, closing down mental heath institutions because they were "cruel", failing to prosecute criminals, failure to keep criminals in jail, failure to address the complete disregard for the lack of value of a human life in all Liberal cities in America, teaching kids the wacky leftist views, pumping kids with drugs if they don't conform, failure to grasp that some people should not be allowed to roam the streets. We are living the recipe the Left has cooked up.

And so much more really. This is why America is sliding into madness. They blame it on us of course, easier that way. They are truly whacked out in the noggin. The country is in a complete mess and yet Biden would easily get 40% of the vote if another election were held tomorrow.

I just don't know how to stop it. I just don't know how it ends. Wish I did.
 
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I truly don't "want" to kill anyone and pray I never have to, but I honestly would have no problem killing someone like this who I knew was en route to kill a bunch of kids or people. These are such horrific events, I get sick to my stomach thinking about (I am trying not to) what these little kids went through, including the survivors. I believe I would be much worse off mentally from not being able to stop it or not doing what I should have to stop it, than from killing the perpetrator.
One of the the nicest guys you would have ever met was involved in the marathon bombing. He was a member here. Not long after the dust settled, the poor guy killed himself. I cried when someone told me what happened. I had texted him and there was no reply. I can only imagine what it is like going into a situation such as this. God bless those who go in knowing they may not walk away. A bit off topic but so be it.
 
What would it take to get YOU to do that?
It can be simpler than all that brainwashed insanity. I suppose there's an argument this is a distinction without a difference, though I'd argue the difference is the implication that someone intentionally programmed some Manchurian candidate versus the cold indifference of a world full of pre-teen bullies who never grow up. Sufficiently advanced PTSD* seems a straightforward path to exactly this behavior. For a pop media example think First Blood.

As a society we like to tell ourselves otherwise, but suicide is rarely impulsive. It almost always falls at the end of a series cries for help: changes in behavior, often self destructive, followed by shutting off and growing distant. I think it's reasonable to think of many of these events, which often end with some version of Suicide-by-Cop as protracted murder-suicides.

How do I get there?
Take someone who is hurting. Pound on him, continually. Crank it up throughout his formative years until he's asking himself every minute of every day "which would hurt more: stepping in front of a bus, or continuing to wake up?" Refuse to see or hear when he actually does ask for help; or just fill him with drugs in hopes he shuts up. Tell him to grow up, to get over it.

Then, when he snaps, we'll tell ourselves we never saw it coming; it's not our fault. He was always such a good kid; a quiet boy.

That kid? Of course he goes to the school, for the same reason adults shoot up their workplace - he sees himself as striking back against the same community that hurt him, starting in the place he spends most of his time, with the folks who were the worst. Tweaked just the right way, looking at news stories about spree killers, he learns the way to show everyone how much pain they caused him is to give them a maximal dose of the fear they get every time it's in the news.

In the beginning, he finds minor release making dark jokes to himself. Eventually, that's not enough, and turns towards ideation - he learns about past events, patterns it against his own world, and role plays it in his head. Over time, the fear of trying it out goes away because he's gone through it in his head so frequently that he can see the path. It's not until he's decided to actually go through with it that things actually happen quickly.

* for lack of a simpler term, though a trained psych might say I'm really thinking of something nearer to "Complex PTSD."
Demasculating men will without a doubt make them more prone to outbursts of violence. A scared or insecure male is a violent and unpredictable one. That's a core psychology concept. The left is hell bent on pretending that male aggression is bad, etc.
I think you're right-on here. Compassion is probably the best route to fix some of this. Actually responding to the bullies at school, rather than looking the other way. Telling him he's allowed to admit it hurts when some shitheel picks on him, and to remind him that this says more about them than it ever could about him. But that's hard. It takes work. It means administrators being prepared to tell parents that they're raising monsters.

It would be great if the media would agree to a similar level of restraint as they have WRT adolescent suicide - another "hard" thing to do. And yes, we should have people in the school who are both willing and able to provide the necessary violence of action when the above isn't enough.
 
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The older and more grouchy I get the less and less I see these events as occurring organically. I'm not happy to say it and I'm not proud to say it. The fact that I have such low faith in the US government to think that there could even be a glimmer of a chance of a conspiracy is really sad. But it's how I'm starting to see things. Especially after all the insane bullshit of 2020/2021.

Jordan Peterson has an interesting thought experiment for these types of people. Put yourself into that shooters shoes. What would it take to get YOU to do that? You can't cop out and say you cant or wont, you have to get that dark and think about it. I can do this thought experiment to explain war crimes (which I believe is where he intended it to be used, specifically WWII holocaust) however, when it comes to mass murder of children... the wheels fall off. You have to get to Einsatzgruppen levels of insanity to get to that point. Which is why I start to lean towards things that are more likely, like brainwashing. Unless you're part of an organized state sanctioned death squad this sort of behavior is quite unusual to put it mildly.

Crazy people do crazy things. It's true. But Crazy people also tend not to do complicated or drawn out things. They are impulsive. The more complicated you make it typically means more shits involved in it. Buying guns, training on guns, buying gear, shooting your grandmother over an "argument" then driving your car to wreck it out front of the school to enter and continue on is a lot of work. And crazy people don't typically gravitate towards that much work. It's beyond an impulsive act, this moron was going for quite some time.
 
Another thing from my younger school days was that almost every one I knew had guns in the house, not locked up and usually hanging on the wall or tucked behind a door, you could argue kids had more access to guns back then and things like this never happened that I can remember. Incidentally My younger days were mid 70s to mid 80s.
At Blue Hills Regional late 70s, a kid brought a shotgun to school. It was in his locker until he flipped the switch. Not sure how many victims. He ended up attacking someone in the breakdown lane on 128 when his escape vehicle died. Lazarro I think his name was.
 
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And they say mass shootings are "just a US problem"



you dont provide enough info - is this per 100000 people, per weekend, what?
 
Then, when he snaps, we'll tell ourselves we never saw it coming; it's not our fault. He was always such a good kid; a quiet boy.
you are very kind with that approach and it for sure probably covers majority of such cases, but there are also those who are just sick beyond repair. and the lack of the proper system to help the first and isolate the latter is really the core of the whole deal there. so i definitely cannot agree with cruz when he just calls whole mental health crisis 'bullshit'. bullshit it is not.

plus mental health topic now is marginalized completely with kids running away from it as from a plague. my own kid is a 10th grader in high school, and amount of stress he is under is incredible. as of social interactions - not sure when any of those kids have anything at all, as all they have there now is 5 minutes to jog, literally, from one class on one level to an another one, with no time to even talk.
 
It would appear that he did not have the public support that he was counting on. I concur: he is a sick son of a bitch.
Robert Francis O'Rourke is as dumb as a box of rocks and just fishing around for whatever incantations he thinks will win him enough votes to get elected to the current position he's running for but is clearly too dumb to do. Even Biden didn't have a use for this guy in Washington, and that's saying something.
 
It is still there and it does have workers. However what I did for a job was eventually farmed out to Asia

Leaving people unemployed. With bills to pay. And probably very limited availability of equivalent jobs. Leaving someone without hope, without money, without a future. Leaving them angry, disillusioned, broke.

Thanks corporate America and esteemed legislators.

It's really a wonder there aren't more mass shootings.
 
JUST IN: Majority Leader Chuck Schumer Postpones Gun Control Legislation - Does Not Have the Votes
My rights are not determined by the actions of criminals (including the criminals in government)

My rights are not determined by the actions of criminals (including the criminals in government) Schumer you assclown.
 
No problem with that here. I know at my kids school the SRO's office is very close to the front door. Not in the lobby, but essentially next to it. He parks his car directly out front of the building also, so it's a clear sign that if someone's there to f*** around they are going to get resistance. I firmly believe that alone (just the car and the chance he's in the building) will deter most as these bad guys are never looking for a fight. They want to hurt/kill people and either commit suicide or surrender when they hit resistance. The key is getting that resistance immediately, so they either surrender or kill themselves before they get the chance to hurt someone.
I have to be honest, this guy was 'dedicated' to his act. The normal SOP is to either self terminate when resistance is encountered or just drop the gun. He might not have gotten the chance.
 
I bet you could find guys or gals with firearms experience and military in every community they would volunteer a few shifts a week covering schools. If you know there are folks with AR-15’s waiting for you. You might just think twice. Of course that’s just nonsense talk why with towns like Newton and Cambridge. Those pinko commies would faint at the thought. But other parts of the country that could fly if it’s not already happening.
[laugh] Imagine some crusty old WW Deuce guy in his 90's who is still solid with a garand. That would be awesome. That ping when he dumps the mag just like he did against the slants on Okinawa. No hesitation, no remorse. Grandpa drilling some soy-punk who thought he was in a gun free zone.

Priceless.
 
Right now, Americans do not care about gun control. Only the most devout liberal does. Right now I'm American care about the price of gas oh, the price of groceries oh, and the price of living day to day.

Of the dems want to focus on abortion and gun control, they're doing the Rs a huge favor.
 
you are very kind with that approach and it for sure probably covers majority of such cases, but there are also those who are just sick beyond repair. and the lack of the proper system to help the first and isolate the latter is really the core of the whole deal there. so i definitely cannot agree with cruz when he just calls whole mental health crisis 'bullshit'. bullshit it is not.

plus mental health topic now is marginalized completely with kids running away from it as from a plague. my own kid is a 10th grader in high school, and amount of stress he is under is incredible. as of social interactions - not sure when any of those kids have anything at all, as all they have there now is 5 minutes to jog, literally, from one class on one level to an another one, with no time to even talk.
I agree with you. And yes, there are absolutely kids who are broken by other means, including having been born that way. I don't mean to imply that mine is the only way we get here.

I also have a sick compulsion to counter: 5 minutes? Luxury. We had 3 from bell to bell. We also had 23 minutes for lunch. Fast-forward 20 years, and I still don't know how to eat casually. (This is also a real problem, honestly.)
 
[laugh] Imagine some crusty old WW Deuce guy in his 90's who is still solid with a garand. That would be awesome. That ping when he dumps the mag just like he did against the slants on Okinawa. No hesitation, no remorse. Grandpa drilling some soy-punk who thought he was in a gun free zone.

Priceless.
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!
 
He was known to law enforcement as a kid in serious trouble anyway.......pretty sure he made the police reports of the home visits/domestic calls. Don't know if Feds would have access to local PD files, but wouldn't surprise me.
Depends, I found out some smaller juris-my-dictions don't report to NCIC. Same city cops bitching about illegals pillaging in the area. They said they arrested them, but no way to get the records without calling their office to find out. Like I had the freaking time to call every bumhick town in Southern Louisiana?
 
There are (generally) plenty of wounded. They just don't draw the media's attention. All anyone* cares about is body count.

* not folks here, but "If it bleeds, it leads" reporters and their reactionary audience.
Pistols generally aren't that deadly, dive into the Chicago numbers of 'shot' vs 'killed'.

I don't know, maybe it's out there, if he used a rifle or a pistol for all the shooting in this event. But I could also see people passing out due to shock, so they look dead and don't get a security round to finish it.
 
don`t think so. but it was a rifle, not a handgun. go figure what TX is about rights to carry ARs.

Sections 46.02 and 46.04 of the Texas Penal Code describe unlawful carry and possession of a firearm. Generally, to carry a handgun in public in Texas without an LTC, a person must:

The new Texas law does not give the right to carry a handgun to anyone who was prohibited before the new law took effect.
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Long Guns​

Texas law does not specifically say how you can carry a long gun such as a rifle. However, some people are prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm by law. See the Owning and Possessing section of this research guide for more information.

I mean, he killed 20+ people, but we're talking about TX gun laws in regard to minors carrying in public? Really? No amount of gun control laws are stopping the mentally ill a**h*** that kills 20+ people. If he didn't have guns, he would have just driven a car or something through a crowd of people. We going to talk about the legal age to operate a motor vehicle there?
 
Boys without fathers, effeminate male teachers or no male teachers in the school system. Liberal, homosexual curriculum run by the Teachers Union stooges that brainwash boys and try to destroy their masculinity. Remember the book, "The War on Boys" by Christina Hoff Sommers, she detailed the lefts assault on boys in the public schools.
 
From WSJ. 🤬 FOX just stated SRO engaged shooter outside and was shot by coward who then entered school.

"On Tuesday, Bortac agents heard a call on local police radio about the shooting at Robb Elementary and were among the first to respond, according to officials.


Bortac agents typically carry their gear, such as helmets, tactical vests and shields, in their cars, according to officials familiar with the unit.

When the call came in on Tuesday, dozens of Border Patrol agents, ultimately totaling about 80 rushed to the school, according to an agency official.

Initially, the Bortac agents couldn’t get into the classroom because of a steel door and cinder block construction, according to law-enforcement officials familiar with what happened. Meanwhile, the gunman, an 18 year-old named Salvador Ramos, shot at them through the door and walls.

The Bortac agents got a master key from the school principal that allowed them to enter the room, according to the officials. One Bortac agent’s shield was hit by rounds upon entering and a second agent was wounded by shrapnel. A third killed the suspect.


Inside, authorities found dead children in piles, according to the officials. A total of 19 children and two teachers died."
 
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