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Which SIgs are MA compliant?
- Thread starter glennv
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He can buy a new or used 220 in MA. The gun is MA compliant and thus available. He will not be able to buy the new fangled models with beavertails and short reset but I expect them to trickle down eventually.
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Here is the link to the EOPS list. A lot of Sigs on the list.
http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/chsb/firearms/approved_firearms_roster_feb2007.pdf
Not sure which meet AG regs. If I am not mistaken the Sig website indicates which are Mass compliant, but I am not sure if this means EOPS compliant or AG compliant. It probably means AG compliant.
When and where did your friend move from? If he legally owns an EOPS list firearm prior to moving into Mass and gets the appropriate license when he moves into Mass then he can bring the gun in without a problem. I think he may have to file an FA10 form. Somebody else will post here to confirm.
If it's not too late and if the move is "in Process" , he may be able to purchase the SIG in his pre move state.
http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/chsb/firearms/approved_firearms_roster_feb2007.pdf
Not sure which meet AG regs. If I am not mistaken the Sig website indicates which are Mass compliant, but I am not sure if this means EOPS compliant or AG compliant. It probably means AG compliant.
When and where did your friend move from? If he legally owns an EOPS list firearm prior to moving into Mass and gets the appropriate license when he moves into Mass then he can bring the gun in without a problem. I think he may have to file an FA10 form. Somebody else will post here to confirm.
If it's not too late and if the move is "in Process" , he may be able to purchase the SIG in his pre move state.
Any Post 98 Sig basically needs to have a ma**h*** and a hidden serial
number. Any sig with an "M" suffix will generally make it through an MA dealer
as a new gun.
EG, P229R-M, P226-M, P220-M etc.
If you can get your hands on the SIGARMS PDF catolog, there is an entire
page or two of -M guns listed. These are the ones they ship to MA
dealers.
DAKs are not and likely never will be "MA compliant", so forget about it...
currently the only option for a DAK is to get one of the standard guns
and convert it. (Yes, this is legal, but SIGARMS will not "help" you do it
if you catch my drift, so you have to be coy/creative/resourceful about
how you acquire the parts. ) And yes, DAKs do appear on the
roster, but that is 50% meaningless WRT compliance issues.
Be aware that a dealer saying "we can't get that" may not be telling
you the complete truth- it might be a stocking problem, etc. It depends
on how many guns SIGARMS is cranking out with the ma**h*** barrel and
the HSN. The only exception to this is the mosquito, which is the
same gun in MA as it is everywhere else it is sold. (it has all the safety
BS on it already).
Just about ANY PRE-98 sig is importable because most of them are on the EOPS roster.
(Maybe the P225/P210 and a few others aren't) So if you
have an old school P228 you want to buy, you can easily import it via an MA
FFL. All you have to do is verify that the gun was made before 10/21/98.
(you can do this by calling the factory and giving them the SN. ) Depending
on the FFL you deal with in MA some will want varying grades of
documentation, a lot of them don't care much.
One other IMPORTANT thing to remember... just because a given gun
is "noncompliant" does not make it, in and of itself, "illegal". EG, if an LTC
holder wants to sell you a P-220 DAK on an FA-10 private sale, there is no
law in place that would prohibit private transfer or posession. The off
paper off list prohibition only applies to MA dealer transfers to MA
residents/consumers. It is the ACT that is regulated, (sales by dealers to
consumers) not the firearm itself.
-Mike
number. Any sig with an "M" suffix will generally make it through an MA dealer
as a new gun.
EG, P229R-M, P226-M, P220-M etc.
If you can get your hands on the SIGARMS PDF catolog, there is an entire
page or two of -M guns listed. These are the ones they ship to MA
dealers.
DAKs are not and likely never will be "MA compliant", so forget about it...
currently the only option for a DAK is to get one of the standard guns
and convert it. (Yes, this is legal, but SIGARMS will not "help" you do it
if you catch my drift, so you have to be coy/creative/resourceful about
how you acquire the parts. ) And yes, DAKs do appear on the
roster, but that is 50% meaningless WRT compliance issues.
Be aware that a dealer saying "we can't get that" may not be telling
you the complete truth- it might be a stocking problem, etc. It depends
on how many guns SIGARMS is cranking out with the ma**h*** barrel and
the HSN. The only exception to this is the mosquito, which is the
same gun in MA as it is everywhere else it is sold. (it has all the safety
BS on it already).
Just about ANY PRE-98 sig is importable because most of them are on the EOPS roster.
(Maybe the P225/P210 and a few others aren't) So if you
have an old school P228 you want to buy, you can easily import it via an MA
FFL. All you have to do is verify that the gun was made before 10/21/98.
(you can do this by calling the factory and giving them the SN. ) Depending
on the FFL you deal with in MA some will want varying grades of
documentation, a lot of them don't care much.
One other IMPORTANT thing to remember... just because a given gun
is "noncompliant" does not make it, in and of itself, "illegal". EG, if an LTC
holder wants to sell you a P-220 DAK on an FA-10 private sale, there is no
law in place that would prohibit private transfer or posession. The off
paper off list prohibition only applies to MA dealer transfers to MA
residents/consumers. It is the ACT that is regulated, (sales by dealers to
consumers) not the firearm itself.
-Mike
Check the Four Seasons website...
http://fsguns.com/fsg_new_hg.html
There's a list (I don't know if it's complete or not), of SIGs that are MA compliant... on the EOPS roster and have the MA AGs approval.
A MA resident can purchase any pre-98 handgun from an individual.
(exception... no post- 9/13/94 "assault pistols").
Pre-98 handguns can be purchased from an FFL, but only if the firearm was registered in MA prior to Oct, 98.
http://fsguns.com/fsg_new_hg.html
There's a list (I don't know if it's complete or not), of SIGs that are MA compliant... on the EOPS roster and have the MA AGs approval.
A MA resident can purchase any pre-98 handgun from an individual.
(exception... no post- 9/13/94 "assault pistols").
Pre-98 handguns can be purchased from an FFL, but only if the firearm was registered in MA prior to Oct, 98.
That is half untrue... you can "import" glocks, sigs, and S+Ws on the
roster all day long, as ong as they were manufactured pre 98.
Been there done that. There is no "registration" requirement for guns listed on the
roster. The "registered and in state" thing only applies to off roster
guns. Those guns must generally be "papered" (eg, MA dealer sales
reciept or FA 10/blue card copy) if you want to pass them through an
MA dealer.
-Mike
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The SIG PRO's are listed as being MA compliant, but the FOUR SEASONS ARMS website does not make mention of it. So, as long as it's on the list, does this make it legal in MA? I have heard that some firearms on the list aren't really available.
No- EOPS roster only covers the formalized testing and has
nothing to do with the AG's regulations, which are an additional
nearly invisible tier of BS that the guns must "pass" before a dealer
can sell them.
Yes, Glocks, Kahrs, and several others on the list are not generally
available because the manufs/dealers don't think they pass the
AG's regs, so they're afraid to sell them.
In the case of the SigPro you mentioned, IIRC Sigarms doesn't make the nonrailed pros anymore, and those were the only ones
that were compliant. I don't think Sigarms bothered to get the
SP2022 or whatever it is compliant.
-Mike
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"Ma**h***" = dude, that is seriously funny. Now I know what to call that thing.
DAK = so it's legal to convert your Mass compliant Sig to a DAK trigger?
DAK = so it's legal to convert your Mass compliant Sig to a DAK trigger?
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