Honestly, the consensus here seems to be that removing 2A rights for OUI is wrong... Except in your view.
It's interesting that you bring up voting. In most locales, felons get their voting rights restored once they serve their prison terms, and even in places where the ban is indefinite, it's only in cases of *certain* felonies... not all felonies.
And keep in mind that even these cases are felonies, not the misdemeanors the result in a lifetime prohibition here. Respectfully, I'm having trouble accepting that your analogy is made in good faith.
You haven't answered my question from before: if you're good with rights being removed as punishment for OUI, which other enumerated rights are game, in your view?
I may have missed the last question, I went to sleep before going in for third shift yesterday, so apologies if it seemed I was dodging.
TO a certain degree, all of them. You give up every single right in whole or in part while in prison or jail. Unreasonable search and seizure, no right to bear arms, free speech, freedom of religion is still in play but not to the degree one may like. You don't get to pick your meals if you are a practicing Jew or Muslim and don't eat certain 'unclean' animals. Good luck on figuring out which direction is Mecca in your cell. You certainly aren't voting. Cruel and unusual punishment is out the window with 24/7 solitary, or 23/7 if you pick PC. If you don't take PC, you are just food for the other inmates unless you want to walk out more f***ed up than you walked in. And jail is a part of punishment. So every right is on the table.
I'm willing to agree permanent shouldn't be a thing for a first time offense where you were near the legal limit and no one was hurt. But you guys are arguing it should be not at all? So your LTC should be valid in jail? Should be able to CC behind bars? If you don't believe so, then we are between losing them till sentence is served vs at all and losing them for an amount of time TBD, at which point we are arguing about where on the scale we want to dig in our heels.
Cams mentions once you are out of jail and your probation is over with, things should go back to the way they were before. I can go along with that.
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It just shouldn’t be, at all. Were you a mask Nazi too?
No I was not a mask nazi. I wore one when my job required them as part of my uniform, and my company took the best approach I can see. We offered N95 masks to anyone who came in without one, but turned away no one for not wearing a mask. We threw out anyone who made a scene for compliance or non compliance, we didn't care what side of the fence you shouted from. I personally cut a hole in my mask so I would adhere to the mandate of wearing a mask covering my mouth and nose as per company policy which mirrored whatever the town said for that particular location, while making my face covering completely ineffective.
I was also for private businesses setting their own rules regarding mask usage.
EDIT: I read in a few spots the losing gun rights for OUI was a mass only thing, and it was about question 21c on the 4473? Because there are like 30+ states with a first time OUI penalty for a year. Which then makes me ask, are you guys saying OUI should not be a felony? Ever? Is your stance felonies should not deprive rights?
I ask this because the issue is not just that OUI = loss of rights, it's that OUI carries a stiff enough penalty that it falls into the category of crimes that can result in loss of rights, by means of of it's potential penalties making the person in question a PP. So the argument is first time OUI carries too stiff a penalty?