The VS. channel and Union sponsors?

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It is Sunday morning and like usual I am watching the hunting and fishing shows on the VS. channel. Can somebody explain to me why just about every Union is a sponsor on these hunting shows (IEBW, pipefitter, sheetmetal, machinist, painters). The Unions give most if not all of there support to the Democrats who are far from the ones who support these outdoor activites especially hunting and guns. How can they give there money to the dems and then support shows about an issue the dems would like to destroy?

I don't like unions so maybe I am just being bias?
 
Just a guess,but I would say the advertising is cheaper on a hunting show than say 'The View' where 98% of the viewers blindly support anything that is spoon fed to them by the hosts and advertisers.

As far as unions,I don't think the majority of the rank and file support strict gun laws.They have no say what their dues go towards.I believe there was some sort of legislation proposed not too long ago that would give union members a say so in where their dues go,but obviously it was stopped.
 
The latest AR has an article about union support for alternatives to the NRA. Think American Hunters & Shooters.

The antis know there is a huge difference between typical fun owners and the enthusiasts and are working hard and throwing money at attempts to drive a wedge.

B
 
As a union electrician, I would just like to say that not all union members blindly follow what our leadership might say.
I, for one vote for the person who best supports my views.
I have to balance my work life with my private life, meaning that most Democrats support the working man, while Republicans support big business.
Republicans, as we all well now, generally support the right of sportsmen, and the Dems, well we all know how they feel....

hope you all can see my predicament come election time....
 
I am also a union official and I can tell you that during the last presidential election a rift opened up between those who wanted to vote the way our national affiliation demanded, and those of us who wanted to vote with our common sense. I think a lot of these international affiliations are starting to realize that, and may just be trying to appeal to their 2cd amendment loving members. also a lot of blue collar higher salary seeking workers are probably hunters and union employees tend to be higher paid, could they be appealing to some folks hopes and dreams? Just my .02
 
Guys it is simple economics, no demographics involved here with blue collar vs white collar vs dems vs republicans, don't read so much into it.

A cable buy is cheaper and over the weekends they get a better viewership. How do you think some of the local car dealerships afford TV. Because they are on cooking shows, current events shows, outdoors shows, fishing etc. They distribute the ads across a broad range of stations controlled by "local cable companies" not nationally syndicated shows on channel 4, 5, or 7. This way they get a little bit of everybody. And the unions are trying to demonstrate that they are out there, strong, with the supprot of their members. Another way of showing the paying members that the union is doing something with the dues other than feathering a strike fund and paying officials to do whatever they do.
 
Jose- I'm not getting into a debate on my pro union and your apparent anti-union stances.
I'm just saying that traditionally, the Dems are supported by people that work for a living, The Republicans are supported by big business.
 
By nothing you mean a better standard of living, health insurance, pension and annuity plans,40 hour work weeks, child labor laws.................
 
Not to be a jerk but really in todays day and age what does the average blue collar worker need so badly for the dems?

Every time the Dems create new rules, regs and mandatory programs it cost all of us more money in the products and services we use. And just look at the UAW and the auto industry to see how these out of control unions are costing us and our business lots of money and jobs.

I saw a study a few months ago (I will try and find it again) and it said that UAW workers in Detroit were making about $70 an hour when adding all of the wages and benefit together, and most of them just had high school educations. While the rest of us real blue collar workers averaged less then $30 and hour. And there heathcare alone added 1500 to 2000 dollars per car that they sell which the rest of us have to pay for.

IMHO unions are only good for the special few who are in them the rest of us get screwed by high costs, union attitudes, and milllions of dollars out of our pockets and into the anti-capitalist dems bank accounts.

I tried not to be a jerk with my comments so forgive me if that is how I came off.
 
Mike,
First of all, I totally agree that the Dems hand out way too much in the way of free entitlements to people that just sit around and do nothing.

That being said, I see the Republicans giving more and more to big business and trying to keep what's left of the middle class down

I would really like to see that study on the auto workers because I really don't think that thier health care costs add 1,000 to 2,000 dollars onto the price of a car.
Most of those people probably make 25-30$ an hour. their benefits might add $15- $20 on to the total package...
 
I would really like to see that study on the auto workers because I really don't think that thier health care costs add 1,000 to 2,000 dollars onto the price of a car.
Most of those people probably make 25-30$ an hour. their benefits might add $15- $20 on to the total package...

[rolleyes]

It's not what health care benefits cost for those employed and producing. It's what they cost for those no longer being productive but still sucking it down.
 
By nothing you mean a better standard of living, health insurance, pension and annuity plans,40 hour work weeks, child labor laws.................

Most of that dates from the 40s and 50s.

Wait, I remembered a few things unions bring: loss of competitiveness, shoddy quality, ridiculous work rules, laziness, and you-owe-me attitudes.
 
most Democrats support the working man, while Republicans support big business.
Republicans, as we all well now, generally support the right of sportsmen, and the Dems, well we all know how they feel....

hope you all can see my predicament come election time....

Guess which party tried to kill pension reform while your union was sending you action alerts in support of this legislation. This was one of the few pieces of legislation to come along that was supported both by the unions and corporations. Every one of our MA Dem Congressmen except former union member Steve Lynch voted against this legislation. As a retired airline pilot who now receives a 90% reduction from the PBGC after my airline used bankruptcy to drop my pension, I am fully aware of how well the Dems look out for the working man. Someday the rank and file workers will have to realize that a great deal of what their unions support is not based on what is best for the rank and file worker, but what is best for union management. All you have to do is follow where your dues money goes, if you can.
 
If health care costs 1500 a car what does labor cost? Twice that? Now we talk 4500 a car. Average cost is over 30k per car.

Where's the other 25K going?
 
If health care costs 1500 a car what does labor cost? Twice that? Now we talk 4500 a car. Average cost is over 30k per car.

Where's the other 25K going?


Well...raw materials, purchased items (radios, wipers, glass ext..) R&D, Advertising, managment, Profit (which is a must for any company to survive), all other overhead as well and with what these guys are taking in for salary and benefits it is probably more the $3000 in labor per-car once you add it all together. And by "all together" I mean even the radio that was made by a different company has union members (mostly UAW) racking in the money.

Labor costs are probably the main reason most companies leave and go to China and other places.
 
I guess we'll just bring our standard of living down to the rest of the world's.

I am a regular blue collar worker without a union to craddle me and my standard of living is just fine.

As a matter a fact a lot of guys who get laid off b/c their companies can't afford to pay the union costs are the ones who have to worry about their standard of living. If it did not cost so much to produce in the US companies would not leave.

I have no problem proving myself to my employer so I get more money and security. If I make more then the guy next to me for the same job it is b/c I do a better job and that is fair, today's union philosophy is socialism.
 
Wow [shocked] I am amazed at how many of you independently wealthy antiunion billionaires there are on this forum. If you are not in a union and you think your not at the mercy of your employers whims you are delusional. Unions don't aim to drive up the cost of anything, they work for fair and competitive salaries, affordable healthcare, safe workplaces, and retirement plans so that workers are not relying solely on the already bankrupt social security program. If that is communism/socialism then paint me red. And before any of you get the bright idea to point out that I previously stated that I was a union official, mine is an unpaid elected position so the only benefits I gain are the same as my unions membership.
 
I have no problem proving myself to my employer so I get more money and security. If I make more then the guy next to me for the same job it is b/c I do a better job and that is fair, today's union philosophy is socialism.

That's one of my biggest bitches with unions. If I do a good job, why should I get the same money as the gung ho union a**h*** who does nothing but the bare minimum and openly states that no one can touch him, because he is in the union.

I have seen just as many crooked union bosses go to jail as I have crooked CEO's

I will soon have to opportunity to vote to replace our useless POS union with another potentially useless POS union, but the upside is that I have to be given a 3rd option of NEITHER.

That's the option I am taking, and a surprising number of my coworkers are leaning the same way.
 
Wow [shocked] I am amazed at how many of you independently wealthy antiunion billionaires there are on this forum. If you are not in a union and you think your not at the mercy of your employers whims you are delusional. Unions don't aim to drive up the cost of anything, they work for fair and competitive salaries, affordable healthcare, safe workplaces, and retirement plans so that workers are not relying solely on the already bankrupt social security program. If that is communism/socialism then paint me red. And before any of you get the bright idea to point out that I previously stated that I was a union official, mine is an unpaid elected position so the only benefits I gain are the same as my unions membership.


I am not wealthy nor am I a billionaire, but I have proven my worth to my company and b/c of that they take care of me, even when my own company lost millions of dollars worth of work to overseas companies and lots of guys got laid off they kept me b/c I do the job and do it well.

I don't need a union to get what I want I just have to work hard for it. That is how it should be, and I would hardly call the kind of crap the unions force upon companies fair and competitive. Once again just look at the UAW or any other large union for that matter, what these people get for what they do is far from competitive. Plus the rest of America including union guys are the ones who pay for it. It is just like government social programs you can't get something for free, somebody has to pay for it. IMHO when your unions strike and fight for more "fair" wages, healthcare, or whatever they want now you are just taxing the rest of America, we are the ones who have to pay for it.

This is nothing personal aginst you but I would love to see how most union guys would far if all they had to go on was their own merit. The way American free market is suppose to be. We are far from the early 20th century work conditions that created unions in the first place, but the crooks who first controlled them back then still do.

Oh wait....It is break time...drop everything now, god forbid we worked into our break time.[rolleyes]
 
Since this has escalated, and I have experience unique in the world, let me tell you my story....

I work in a power plant. We had a great benefits plan, annual bonus and pretty good working conditions. Over the course of two years, my benefit package was reduced 4 times. The first change occurred between the day I signed my offer letter and my start date. The business started to collapse thanks to Enron and others doing business just like them. Coupled with alot of cheap credit and overextended cash flow, our corporate entity went bankrupt. With the restructuring our VP pulled down a 13 million dollar bonus. We lost most of our bonus opportunity, and got a cheaper health plan. Then, the company decided that they were just going to let the banks repo the plant. How's that for job security? The banks decided that they were going to hang onto the asset and got an operating company to run the facility. Subsequently, we were all hired by the operating company. The operating company,yet again, cut benefits, and bonus opportunity. In addition, they (made an attempt) at reducing overtime by leaps and bounds. Problem is, to do this, they need to hire more people;They choose not to and things go to shit. Then, they go ape shit because nothing gets done and they expect the whole f***ing world to drop what their doing to pick up their mess. But I digress, the CEO of this company decides he's going to pull the "there's a new sheriff in town" BS and tells everyone that they will work more than ever, do more than ever, and make less than ever. To that we said "bite me" and voted to organize. Mind you, we regularly made fun of union labor and had no desire to be like them. We did realize this- (and so should every other non-union worker)-we had it good to keep the union out and that's why you got it good. We organized with over 80% of the vote (mine included) and I was unanimously (and very reluctantly) voted to be steward and negotiator. A year and a half later, I had put all I could into the contract and stepped aside to allow some others to try and close this deal, which they did shortly thereafter. They closed it quickly because they wanted to get the deal closed, and failed to look at the contract as a whole. They ended up with a less than equitable contract, one I voted against and refused to sign (at first-I later signed at the request of the BA-still a good friend)

Shortly thereafter, the operations manager left for a promotion at another plant. 6 months later, I find myself (inadvertently) performing all the duties thereunto pertaining. After several offers, I accepted the promotion and now find myself enforcing the very contract I helped negotiate, with the guys I helped vote a union in with. You would be hadr pressed to find another in my shoes-I haven't met that person.

In all-this is my take on it. I do not regret voting in a union for the fact of the solidarity it proved on the part of my team. I am proud as their manager that they had the sack to do what is right. Motivated properly, there is nothing they cannot accomplish. I also believe that there is still a place for organized labor in our workforce, because there are still plenty of companies that will not treat their employees fairly.

Also-
I will never willingly negotiate a first union contract ever again-on either side. That is an experience, while priceless, that ill suits my principles. I accepted the challenge of negotiating with the intent that 1) Everyone (both sides) would be reasonable and 2) That I could keep the good things and fix the bad ones. I found that both sides are out for themselves and both sides lose.

Mr. Speaker-I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks.
 
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