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Howdy folks,
I haven't posted here in a while. Most folks in the CAS world knew me as Grizz (from RI). Anyway, I was watching the news this morning and the students march on the Capitol. A vast majority of the signs they were anti-NRA.

I saw signs stating: Ban the NRA , The NRA is killing kids and If you are taking money from the NRA, you have blood on your hands!

Who is feeding these young minds this narrative?

Someone, or some group really should inform these understandably upset kids that the NRA is not the enemy. They have no clue that the NRA has been a leader in civil rights, promoting gun safety, and protecting their very right to protest.

It is very frustrating.

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wahsben said:
The liberal/progressive/socialist/communist anti-gun crowd. They are demonizing the NRA as they've demonized guns, conservatives, religion etc.
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These students who want to walk for gun control should keep walking until they get to Canada, and stay there ! Canada is yet another example of a failed gun controlled country.
 
It's organized by the Women's March
Here's their page for the walkout.
The mission of Women’s March is to harness the political power of diverse women and their communities to create transformative social change. Women’s March is a women-led movement providing intersectional education on a diverse range of issues and creating entry points for new grassroots activists & organizers to engage in their local communities through trainings, outreach programs and events. Women’s March is committed to dismantling systems of oppression through nonviolent resistance and building inclusive structures guided by self-determination, dignity and respect.
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You can tell just by the vocabulary ("intersectional education" "dismantling systems of oprression") they are extreme libtards.
I would love to know where they get their money.
 
WG840 said:
Someone, or some group really should inform these understandably upset kids that the NRA is not the enemy. ​
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There already is such a group. Unfortunately, it’s called the NRA.

Millennials tend not to trust big pronouncements by organized groups, anyway. They prefer their information to be viral. NRA hasn’t understood this yet.
 
My daughters school just called with a recording and said they were allowing the walkout in memory of the fallen students. Never once did they mention that the national walk out Day was actually about gun control. These miss informed students will be added to the number of students for gun control.
 
Fishfinder said:
My daughters school just called with a recording and said they were allowing the walkout in memory of the fallen students. Never once did they mention that the national walk out Day was actually about gun control. These miss informed students will be added to the number of students for gun control.
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If you have permission it's not a walkout. With civil disobedience, which is what I believe they are hoping to achieve, comes a penalty. If there is no penalty there is no civil disobedience.
 
The NRA isn't helping itself by tying itself to the far right. That Dana Loesh ad, "Violence of lies", is needlessly polarizing and has little to do with gun rights. Maybe it's good for stirring up resentment (and donations) from it's aging members, but comes across as repelling to the general public and especially among younger voters. Plenty of liberal minded people are luke-warm or indifferent on the issue of gun control. In my view, the NRA is tying itself to the mast of a sinking ship. The way the NRA is speaking recently, they may as well declare themselves an arm of the Republican party.

I get the feeling that a lot of the youth angst against the NRA currently is really a proxy for anti-Trump sentiment, much as the women's march was. The NRA should be distancing itself from this toxic administration rather than doubling down.
 
Even though today was a snow day in Boston there were plenty of kids up at the statehouse "preaching to the choir". The story I saw was on WBZ-TV at noon. The posters and chants and quotes all seemed pretty canned. "Gun Control Now" -- we already have the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. "No more assault weapons" -- already banned in this state. One girl on TV said she needs to feel safe in school. I totally get that but I cannot recall the last shooting in a school in Massachusetts and I am 61.
 
I remember an English teacher in high school arguing with me whether Bowling for Columbine was a pro-gun/2a film or anti. Her reasoning for it being pro-gun was because guns were shown. I don't still don't know if she was just that dumb or just a stubborn liar.
 
The pathetic part is that there are many students like my own 14 year-old who understand that this is a rigged deal. I asked him what he was going to do and he said that he was going to walk-out "under protest of the protest".

For those of you folks who say "keep walking to Canada" etc. I'd just ask you to put yourselves in the shoes of a freshman in high-school. It's easy to forget just how brutal those years can be for a kid. My son has already had to field questions from those older and more popular than him "don't you care about the dead kids in Florida?"..."of course you dumba$$, but it's not about the type of gun that is the problem" was his reply. As his Dad, I will let him decide how he approaches this. I won't force my son to sit in class and subsequently endure the ire of the masses. To me it's really barely any better than a liberal having their kid sit during the Pledge of Allegiance to promote their no "under God" agenda.

The c thing is that NO political agenda should be school sponsored. The walkouts that happened when I was a kid were exactly what they proclaimed to be; civil disobedience that required at least a bit of testicular fortitude to do....one who walked out then, walked out understanding that there would be repercussions....How can it be civil disobedience when the civil authorities condone the behavior?!?

For now, my son remains a pro gun voice in the wilderness of liberal schools...luckily he has a science teacher who is also a NRA certified instructor to back him up once in a while.
 
Matt-CZ said:
The NRA isn't helping itself by tying itself to the far right. That Dana Loesh ad, "Violence of lies", is needlessly polarizing and has little to do with gun rights. Maybe it's good for stirring up resentment (and donations) from it's aging members, but comes across as repelling to the general public and especially among younger voters. Plenty of liberal minded people are luke-warm or indifferent on the issue of gun control. In my view, the NRA is tying itself to the mast of a sinking ship. The way the NRA is speaking recently, they may as well declare themselves an arm of the Republican party.

I get the feeling that a lot of the youth angst against the NRA currently is really a proxy for anti-Trump sentiment, much as the women's march was. The NRA should be distancing itself from this toxic administration rather than doubling down.
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The NRA isn't tying itself to the far right. They support infringements. The COTUS is supposed to be the law of the land and those that support the COTUS aren't far right or far left they are the center in America. Unfortunately there are too many that have allowed it to go off of center.
 
peterk123 said:
The sad thing is nobody on the left realizes that this is not gun violence. It is student violence, and it should be called what it is. Kids are killing each other for who knows what reason. Go protest that.
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"gun violence" is a propaganda tool!! Stop saying this!! It is a way to for the antis to get around the fact that where there are more guns, overall violent crime drops!!

Imagine two identical neighboring states with the same population, state A and state B. State A has strict gun laws and State B does not. State A has 100 homicides for every 100,000 residents and State B has 50 homicides for 100,000 residents. State B is clearly safer, right?

Well, lets say that a firearm was used as the murder weapon in 40 of those 50 homicides (per 100K) in State B, while a gun was used in only 20 of the 100 homicides in State A. The antis can say that State B has twice the gun violence of State A!! What they don't tell you is that State B is twice as safe as State A (50 vs. 100 homicides)!

Lies of omission are still lies. The term "gun violence" is a GIANT LIE!!
 
So my liberal friends have used MA as the poster-child for no school gun violence. They ask, "Tell me how many mass shootings there were in Mass?"....I grew up in Missouri, which recently has gone to a constitutional carry state. I counter with asking "How many mass school shootings have occurred in Missouri?.
 
jpk said:
Can you please mod the title to be more accurate and remove the word "protest" from the title?
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Couldn't agree more! A protest is to go against the grain....if you're swimming with the fish in the stream...well protest is a bit misleading huh?
 
greencobra said:
well, kick it off, you be that someone...[wink]
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As an NRA life member and instructor I do try to educate as many people as possible. That includes my grandkids.

Picton said:
There already is such a group. Unfortunately, it’s called the NRA.

Millennials tend not to trust big pronouncements by organized groups, anyway. They prefer their information to be viral. NRA hasn’t understood this yet.
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I agree that the outdated NRA PR department needs an overhaul. We are all getting older, and NEED new young people to take the reins.

Matt-CZ said:
The NRA isn't helping itself by tying itself to the far right. That Dana Loesh ad, "Violence of lies", is needlessly polarizing and has little to do with gun rights. Maybe it's good for stirring up resentment (and donations) from it's aging members, but comes across as repelling to the general public and especially among younger voters. Plenty of liberal minded people are luke-warm or indifferent on the issue of gun control. In my view, the NRA is tying itself to the mast of a sinking ship. The way the NRA is speaking recently, they may as well declare themselves an arm of the Republican party.

I get the feeling that a lot of the youth angst against the NRA currently is really a proxy for anti-Trump sentiment, much as the women's march was. The NRA should be distancing itself from this toxic administration rather than doubling down.
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Taking your points one at a time:

Dana's commercial points out just how violent and dangerous these liberal, radical left wing protests are. They are being shipped in to college campuses, and many times are compensated to do so. They will go to any length to shut down a conservative viewpoint from being shared. It's about time someone called a spade a spade IMO.

The NRA appears as an arm of the Republican party due to the fact that the left (majority of democrats) have lopped themselves off from the body of reason, and have total disregard for the Bill of Rights.

The Trump administration is only toxic to the left. It is they (and I include the main stream media) that have done nothing but bash and resist everything this administration has tried to do, and ignore every good thing that has been accomplished.

Now, I am not trying to get into a political confrontation here, but just pointing out that we need the NRA to stay strong, or you can kiss whatever we have left goodbye!

Apparently, the left has control of most teachers, and therefore the kids. We need to talk to our children and explain that removing the tool from the law abiding will not deter the criminal, nor will it make them any safer.

Just the view from my saddle.
 
Orange677 said:
Couldn't agree more! A protest is to go against the grain....if you're swimming with the fish in the stream...well protest is a bit misleading huh?
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Agreed. First thing i thought if is the kids joining to simply join in. Liberals will say "blank" number of kids walked out in protest....blah blah. But half of those kids are just trying to get fresh air, take a walk, or get out of class.

When bobby likes betty and betty walks out, bobby will too.

When john can miss 17 minutes of his least favorite class by walking out, he will even if he just had a nice weekend of hunting ducks or clay shooting.

Some pop star will have a baby or new reality show and this will be forget by our youth
 
These kids are far easier to manipulate thanks to a lack of true history being taught.
Revise it, sanitize it and they have no idea what actually happens to an unarmed population.
The founding fathers did though.
There was a reason it was the very second thing they thought put into the bill of rights .
Look at some of the mental cases we have for politicians just in this state alone.
What do you think would happen if there was no chance of the average citizens fighting back ?
 

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