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School Orders Student Who Made Anti-‘Gun Control’ Video to Get Psych Evaluation
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The libtard new world teachers grip has tightened. They have a new tool to play with.
pro gun student? Out of the pool.
Get a shrink order to make them rethink.
newton north high school admin. went full retard this week as well.
Called police to investigate the crime of a couple students who hung out a flag out the car window as they drove through the parking lot.
the new crime of flag showing in ma. Hey Gadsden guy, your next.
pro gun student? Out of the pool.
Get a shrink order to make them rethink.
newton north high school admin. went full retard this week as well.
Called police to investigate the crime of a couple students who hung out a flag out the car window as they drove through the parking lot.
the new crime of flag showing in ma. Hey Gadsden guy, your next.
GM-GUY
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My son has worn his two GOAL Booster T-shirts to school this year. The blue one - no comments; the grey with the AR and Come and Take It on the back some kids complained that he shouldn't be wearing it. He explained what it was about and that it was a T-shirt, get over it.
No calls or issues, but I bet there are several teachers that would cause trouble.
No calls or issues, but I bet there are several teachers that would cause trouble.
Maui5150
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This is just so disturbing on so many level - Maybe because I am from a fading generation that at least had SOME idea of the Constitution and Freedom...
And for all of that... My generation was still inventive and rebellious - Perhaps one of the greatest coups... getting our High School to sponsor our drinking... Somewhere, in one of my drawers (bureau... not underwear) sits a GDC shirt. GDC we told our Administration was "those... Going Directly to College" - a group that had free D Block (so lunch + 50 minute class time consequetively... ) and met every Friday to discuss admissions, essays, SATS and the like over lunch off campus. The school funded this group with a small amount... It was partially factual... GDC actually stood for GenRad Drinking Club, and we would pick up subs from White Hen Pantry, drink beers and throw around a football and listen to music in the back corner of GenRad's parking lot.
But I digress
To me the story is not whether the student had an assignment or not... It is that thought crime exists, even in an academic / investigative setting. Now I am sure if the student had his essay on "White superiority should be quashed" "Transgenders should have MORE rights than cis genders" no issues.
Our educational institutions are nothing more than INDOCTRINATION CENTERS. This has long been the plan. If you read Charlotte Isyrbet or Craig Roberts... you will see that the socialist and radical control agenda were seed planted well over 50 years ago. Highly recommend Craig Robert's "The Medusa File" which has a great section on the take over of the education system.
The only axiom that matters... You can't fix stupid... and stupid is what we got (grammar intentional)
PC does not equal POLITICAL CORRECTNESS... it equals POLITICAL CHAINS
And for all of that... My generation was still inventive and rebellious - Perhaps one of the greatest coups... getting our High School to sponsor our drinking... Somewhere, in one of my drawers (bureau... not underwear) sits a GDC shirt. GDC we told our Administration was "those... Going Directly to College" - a group that had free D Block (so lunch + 50 minute class time consequetively... ) and met every Friday to discuss admissions, essays, SATS and the like over lunch off campus. The school funded this group with a small amount... It was partially factual... GDC actually stood for GenRad Drinking Club, and we would pick up subs from White Hen Pantry, drink beers and throw around a football and listen to music in the back corner of GenRad's parking lot.
But I digress
To me the story is not whether the student had an assignment or not... It is that thought crime exists, even in an academic / investigative setting. Now I am sure if the student had his essay on "White superiority should be quashed" "Transgenders should have MORE rights than cis genders" no issues.
Our educational institutions are nothing more than INDOCTRINATION CENTERS. This has long been the plan. If you read Charlotte Isyrbet or Craig Roberts... you will see that the socialist and radical control agenda were seed planted well over 50 years ago. Highly recommend Craig Robert's "The Medusa File" which has a great section on the take over of the education system.
The only axiom that matters... You can't fix stupid... and stupid is what we got (grammar intentional)
PC does not equal POLITICAL CORRECTNESS... it equals POLITICAL CHAINS
amm5061
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School orders HAHHAHAHAHAHAPlease. It would be FU and meet my attorney.
This right here. Meanwhile my kid gets an "attaboy!" and a new gun of his choice.
And stop going to those government schools. I would guess the psych exam could not be required if he isn't even going to the school. People should take this event as one more hint that they should consider better options.School orders HAHHAHAHAHAHA
amm5061
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Just one more reason to vote for more charter schools here in MA.
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Ne w Jersey. Yup, it figures. If I was given an assignment like that, I would email the teacher to confirm it. Once confirmed, I have documentation that proves that I was just following orders. Document, document, document and CYA.
Whutmeworry
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They've got no legal leg to stand on...yet. Consider though that (it appears) a majority of Americans are ok with an unelected federal bureaucracy prohibiting the exercise of two enumerated constitutional rights (2A and 5A) merely because those unelected bureaucrats feel like adding their names to a secret "no fly" list. This with clear evidence that COMPLETELY innocent Americans (4-year-olds, a guy who simply decided to buy an open-ended ticket to Istanbul, etc.) are being erroneously added to the list.
Dangerous times indeed.
snax
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Read the story, well I guess between the lines. It said it ordered one. I imagine, the school kicked him out until a psych eval was performed.
Story went on to say "....since Harvey withdrew from Manville rather than subject himself to offensive mandated indignities"
ridleyman
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I wear a Cabela's cap at school all the time and nobody has squeaked, but my last year before retirement I'm ratcheting it up to a Glock t-shirt I think. I discuss the prez issues, like energy, jobs, and gun control with my class, and i haven't had obam-er-Stalin kick in my classroom door yet.
My experience is the same. I'm in a Boston-area high school, and I don't keep my pro-gun agenda particularly quiet there; nobody gives a rat's ass. Many of the kids think gun control, especially GFZs, are dumb.
Most of those are girls, who understand the importance of a sidearm when roaming the streets in the dark. It's nice to see that kind of attitude. Had a kid ask me just last week how she could get pepper spray.
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No, the KID said the school ordered one. That's a very different thing than saying the school ordered one. I'm often amazed at the things parents tell me their kids told them I said.
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There are definitely circumstances in which a public school can require a psychological or psychiatric evaluation of a student, prior to returning to school (though presenting it in a manner in which it is done consensually is more common and more desirable). The basis would be because of the level of safety risk that the student (could potentially) pose. There are also circumstances when because of the safety risk that a student poses (either to self or others)/appropriateness that the school district could mandate alternative placement as well, even over student/parent objections.
Depending on the nature of the behavior that a student demonstrates, schools will call people (e.g. police, mobile crisis, etc...) [some schools/ districts also may have people qualified to request emergency eval at hospital on staff as well] who can cause a child to be brought to the ED for evaluation. From there it is possible that they could be admitted (including involuntarily) or sent on their way, depending on the physician's findings and state law (in Connecticut the standard is that the individual has a psychiatric disability and is a risk to self, others, or is gravely disabled).
(It does actually happen- though not for idle behavior.)
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I would think it would still require a court order.
To be clear: you're saying that a superintendent of a New Jersey public school district can unilaterally order a psych evaluation, and then later have it stand up in court as binding?
I would be shocked if that's the case. I've got a MA administrator's license, and although I know nothing about NJ schools, school administrators here do not have any such power.
amm5061
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Well, if they get a doctor involved along with Child Protective Services I bet they can do pretty much anything they want. That happens all the time up here, why not down in Jersey?
Because if CPS is ordering something, the superintendent isn't. That makes all the difference. The school is obligated by law, sometimes, to involve outside State services, whether it's CPS, police, etc. When it does so, it's no longer the school making the call. Or issuing the order.
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My son did an oral report on the subject. Got up in front of class all. Not an issue.
I can't speak for New Jersey, where this happened, but I can state for fact that in Connecticut (where I'm from) that administrative hearings conducted by the SDE have affirmed such district mandated evaluations.
I also know of instances in which districts have ordered psych assessments where the families are cooperative.
Another route that has also been used in Connecticut to get kids evaluation/ treatment that parents decline is to file a 136 with DCF (based on neglect) which will effectuate a DCF Investigation, which can have 1 of 2 positive effects, (1) the parent chooses to cooperate to avoid the heat [i.e. that they are trying not to neglect their child's needs] or (2) if believed warranted by the caseworker, DCF will require and/or provide the services.
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We're talking past each other here, and I think we're saying the same thing: schools can't order psych evals on their own. They can suggest it to wiling parents, but then it's the parents doing the dirty work. Or they can (and must, by law) file a CHINS, but then it's DCF doing the dirty work. Or they can ask DESE to make it a condition of re-enrollment, but then it's DESE doing the dirty work.
It's not the school, sua sponte.
In Connecticut, it is the district (a bad habit of mine is substituting the word school in place of district). I can say that based on professional experience, which I'm not going any further into for confidentiality purposes.
To clarify a little. The mechanism in Connecticut is a little different. Unlike in Mass where (if I understand you correctly) the order would come from DESE as you describe, the school district can make it a condition, for example in order to return from a suspension or expulsion, or to be allowed to return to the general school from an alternative placement. (During periods of suspension, expulsion, placement in alternative non-public schools the student remains an enrollee of their LEA in CT) Districts are very open with using words like ordering and requiring. (They also end up paying for) Where CSDE would come in is if the parent appeals (in effect seeks a hearing, which would generally be a necessary precursor to judicial intervention) and act as arbitrator, and would issue an order either upholding the district's requirement or overturning it in favor of the family's position, or both (and identifying point by point). The CSDE order is appealable in the superior court, by either party, however the burden for overturning an administrative appeals ruling is very high.
Huh.
It's proving nigh impossible for me to find out how NJ works, but since 90% of the hits I'm getting refer to right wing media coverage of this one case, each one quoting the kid and with no research into NJ school law, I can only guess NJ is as bad as CT or, more likely, too opaque for anyone to understand.
It would seem to me that, based on what coverage exists for this case, the kid's hit a strong appeals case, given that the teacher clearly didn't feel the project was out of bounds at the time.
It's proving nigh impossible for me to find out how NJ works, but since 90% of the hits I'm getting refer to right wing media coverage of this one case, each one quoting the kid and with no research into NJ school law, I can only guess NJ is as bad as CT or, more likely, too opaque for anyone to understand.
It would seem to me that, based on what coverage exists for this case, the kid's hit a strong appeals case, given that the teacher clearly didn't feel the project was out of bounds at the time.
Mother is saying NFW. And that the only reason the school is making the demands is because the teacher is lying about the assignment.
Lots of he said, she said, she said in this one.
"Rather than come to his defense, the teacher who allegedly assigned the project claimed she did not recall ever giving him the project.
Harvey — in agreement with his mother — has refused to undergo the evaluation and will instead complete high school through GED tests.
“I am not taking him for a psychological evaluation because this teacher is lying and won’t own up to what she did,” Harvey’s mother said."
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Lots of he said, she said, she said in this one.
"Rather than come to his defense, the teacher who allegedly assigned the project claimed she did not recall ever giving him the project.
Harvey — in agreement with his mother — has refused to undergo the evaluation and will instead complete high school through GED tests.
“I am not taking him for a psychological evaluation because this teacher is lying and won’t own up to what she did,” Harvey’s mother said."
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