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I think that death is scheduled for the same time the US finally adopts the metric system…MOA is dying a slow, painful death. It's time for you guys to let go, so MOA can find peace in the great beyond. End its suffering.
a mil is a mil and a minute is a minute. If you're converting to a linear measurement to adjust, you're wasting time. Use your reticle as a ruler and keep the measurements angular.Mil: the math is easier, tough to get your head wrapped around it due to the fact were Americans and use feet and inches,
MOA: Math is more difficult, but easier to understand the concepts as Americans.
I don’t think it has to do with one being better than the other, it’s more about being more popular within the game you plan to play with it."Have I mentioned that I shoot a MIL scope yet? No? Oh, well, I do. Now let me tell you why MOA sucks"
It's friggin hilarious.
You will notice I never say MIL is bad, or worse than MOA, but it's almost a guarantee that this post will get a reply somehow mentioning that MIL is superior.
That kind of clear, level-headed logic has no place here. Go sell sanity someplace elseI don’t think it has to do with one being better than the other, it’s more about being more popular within the game you plan to play with it.
100% conversation to meters or inches is only needed if trying to range targets or determine target size. If I know I'm 1 mil low on paper (even though I know 1mil@100yd.=3.6inch) I don't care how many inches I need to come up, I just come up 1 mil.a mil is a mil and a minute is a minute. If you're converting to a linear measurement to adjust, you're wasting time. Use your reticle as a ruler and keep the measurements angular.
Caveat...unless you have a known range and are trying to gauge the size of an object based on distance and angular measurement.
it’s an internet gun forum. Dumbass debates like this are the only reason these sites exist"Have I mentioned that I shoot a MIL scope yet? No? Oh, well, I do. Now let me tell you why MOA sucks"
It's friggin hilarious.
You will notice I never say MIL is bad, or worse than MOA, but it's almost a guarantee that this post will get a reply somehow mentioning that MIL is superior.
That’s funny, because I’ve never thought to myself “I’m 1.5 mils low” on paper.100% conversation to meters or inches is only needed if trying to range targets or determine target size. If I know I'm 1 mil low on paper (even though I know 1mil@100yd.=3.6inch) I don't care how many inches I need to come up, I just come up 1 mil.
That’s funny, because I’ve never thought to myself “I’m 1.5 mils low” on paper.
I always look at the target and say “I’m 4 inches low, and .5 inches right”, then I have to pull out my phone to make the conversion to mils so I can adjust my scope…
But, I’m a mils guy all the way…
and that's where you're wasting time and hurting your brain. measure with your reticle subtensions. 8 tenths low? dial 8 tenths up. send another. 100 yards or 1000 yards, 8 tenths in your reticle is 8 tenths on your turret, assuming it's a FFP scope.That’s funny, because I’ve never thought to myself “I’m 1.5 mils low” on paper.
I always look at the target and say “I’m 4 inches low, and .5 inches right”, then I have to pull out my phone to make the conversion to mils so I can adjust my scope…
But, I’m a mils guy all the way…
Yup, this is exactly the kind of stuff I need to learn.and that's where you're wasting time and hurting your brain. measure with your reticle subtensions. 8 tenths low? dial 8 tenths up. send another. 100 yards or 1000 yards, 8 tenths in your reticle is 8 tenths on your turret, assuming it's a FFP scope.
If you're shooting at one known distance target, there are benefits to MOA such as the finer adjustment and the fact most of the other shooters at those matches will be shooting MOA scopes. If you're shooting multiple targets at varying distances, MIL is the way to go. Shooters at those types of matches will generally be shooting MIL scopes so you'll be speaking the same language, and you'll save time dialing multiple targets. A 300yd rimfire shot is roughly 13 mils/130 clicks, compared to roughly 45 MOA/180 clicks. Lot more dialing needed with MOA = wasted time.