PA cops shoot unarmed teen with hands in the air like they just don't care

DispositionMatrix said:
Looks like you must have seen video not shown in the post you quoted. Hall turned sideways and put the gun in his shirt. Then that video ends. Video from bystanders shows Hall being shot while _not_ pointing the handgun at LEOs and facing them. The missing video is from the LEOs' perspective.
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Yup no threat yet
 
Wickedcoolname said:
I can't get enough of the armchair quarterbacks! Every computer commando is a use of force expert until they have to deal with a nut with a gun. But like the left loves to tell us all cops are trigger happy thugs and all gun waving mental defectives just need a hug.
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Don't want to face tough life treating decisions? There's plenty of toilets that need scrubbing... dont bitch about the job you willingly do...
 
in this case I agree with the defund the police mantra, they should simply call psychiatrists or community coordinators or maybe maxine or sheila and let them deal with the mentally afflicted
 
EC1 said:
in this case I agree with the defund the police mantra, they should simply call psychiatrists or community coordinators or maybe maxine or sheila and let them deal with the mentally afflicted
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Didn't watch the video. From the comments, there's probably a gun visible at some point. Maybe pointing, maybe not. I don't disagree with this point in it's fundamental statement: Cops aren't social workers.
 
I’ll wait until I see the video and hear from the officers who responded. How lever I can say when you point a weapon at an officer there’s a high odds it will not end well for you.
 
ReluctantDecoy said:
It's not that they don't care about collective rights. It's that the "collective" may only pertain to specific origin nationality. Chinese Americans might not see eye to eye with Vietnamese Americans or Korean Americans, etc. Cultural, language, and societal differences, even in this country. Also, there's some old school beef between Chinese, Korean and Japanese that dates back to Japanese occupation time, but that's becoming less and less an issue with second, third and fourth gen families. You may start to see more general "Asian" cohesion in the generations to come.
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Well said. This is what I was trying to express in my statement.
Asian encompasses a lot of different regions in the world.
 
Prepper said:
Yup, they enforce laws. They are not social workers.
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Lol but where are you going to find a social worker with a gun?

Or does anyone expect a mental health worker (paid out at about 12 bux an hour btw) to go peacefully negotiate with a nutbag waving a gun around.... im sure people will line up for that job in droves.

I agree most of the times cops are called for nutbags, bad things happen, because cops are not designed to deal with nutbags.
 
ReluctantDecoy said:
It's not that they don't care about collective rights. It's that the "collective" may only pertain to specific origin nationality. Chinese Americans might not see eye to eye with Vietnamese Americans or Korean Americans, etc. Cultural, language, and societal differences, even in this country. Also, there's some old school beef between Chinese, Korean and Japanese that dates back to Japanese occupation time, but that's becoming less and less an issue with second, third and fourth gen families. You may start to see more general "Asian" cohesion in the generations to come.
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At Umass the Asians of different nationalities stick to their own subgroup.
That is what the students told me when I worked at Umass.
Birds of a feather flock together.
In today's world that would be considered racist but common sense says otherwise.

Same thing in prison.
The races don't mix.

The only time you see a white guy in the middle of a bunch of Blacks is if he's getting beaten up of turned out.
 
jkelly1229 said:
Not bitching but people who immediately jump to the defense of cops... or cops who are defensive in these instances
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It's easy to pass judgment when you weren't there and it's even easier when you hate the guys who do the job. There are more cop haters on this site then on an excon website. In my experience many of the cop haters are former cop want-to-be losers who became cop haters when they tried and failed to get on the job.
Others hate the fact that in some states cops can own guns that non-cops can't. Whatever the reasons they can't stop themselves from deciding without having been there if a cop acted correctly during a use of force. Meanwhile most of the comments come from clowns whose only combat experience was getting beat up in the high school cafeteria.
 
Wickedcoolname said:
It's easy to pass judgment when you weren't there and it's even easier when you hate the guys who do the job. There are more cop haters on this site then on an excon website. In my experience many of the cop haters are former cop want-to-be losers who became cop haters when they tried and failed to get on the job.
Others hate the fact that in some states cops can own guns that non-cops can't. Whatever the reasons they can't stop themselves from deciding without having been there if a cop acted correctly during a use of force. Meanwhile most of the comments come from clowns whose only combat experience was getting beat up in the high school cafeteria.
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I don't hate cops at all... well any more than I hate everyone else. I have defended them when I see they deserve to be defended. The one I recently go back to is the dude in Milwaukee? Michigan? They shot the guy in the back with his kids in the car. I was team cop on that one because I read the story and read what happened prior to the video.

This one I think should've been handled differently 2 Shooters on the left shooting off the bridge and not into 2 lane traffic and 2 officers approach straight on to disarm the suspect. If the suspect points a weapon at the cops shoot him if he keeps doing what he is doing disarm him. That's what I think should've happened.

Now my comment about quit bitching is simple... this is what they signed up for. Maybe not every day with this stuff but you know it is a distinct possibility this can happen... so why are you shocked when it happens.

I equate it to a teacher complaining about misbehaving kids... or a pornstar getting an std. Hazards of the job if you can't handle some of the highly probable events do something else.
 
jkelly1229 said:
I don't hate cops at all... well any more than I hate everyone else. I have defended them when I see they deserve to be defended. The one I recently go back to is the dude in Milwaukee? Michigan? They shot the guy in the back with his kids in the car. I was team cop on that one because I read the story and read what happened prior to the video.

This one I think should've been handled differently 2 Shooters on the left shooting off the bridge and not into 2 lane traffic and 2 officers approach straight on to disarm the suspect. If the suspect points a weapon at the cops shoot him if he keeps doing what he is doing disarm him. That's what I think should've happened.

Now my comment about quit bitching is simple... this is what they signed up for. Maybe not every day with this stuff but you know it is a distinct possibility this can happen... so why are you shocked when it happens.

I equate it to a teacher complaining about misbehaving kids... or a pornstar getting an std. Hazards of the job if you can't handle some of the highly probable events do something else.
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I guess I'll ask again. Who's bitching?
 
drgrant said:
Or does anyone expect a mental health worker (paid out at about 12 bux an hour btw) to go peacefully negotiate with a nutbag waving a gun around....
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Why, yes. [shocked]

The entire Donk establishment expects mental health workers
to go peacefully negotiate with a nutbag waving a gun around.

(Well, at least they act that way while posing for the MSM.
If past performance is any guide,
they probably don't actually GAF about
either the mental health workers
or the nutbag waving a gun around).[shocked]

Why do you ask?[rofl]
 
Wickedcoolname said:
You decided the behavior was unethical yet you weren't there and you don't know all the facts.
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From what we've seen so far yes I have. If more information comes out I reserve the right to change my mind. There's definitely been a few of these where the optics suck for the cops.
 
jkelly1229 said:
From what we've seen so far yes I have. If more information comes out I reserve the right to change my mind. There's definitely been a few of these where the optics suck for the cops.
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Well I guess it's a good thing that the uninfirmed opinions of keyboard juries don't matter. Evidentyl, innocent until proven guilty is a concept foreign to the interweb cop watchers.
 
Wickedcoolname said:
Well I guess it's a good thing that the uninfirmed opinions of keyboard juries don't matter. Evidentyl, innocent until proven guilty is a concept foreign to the interweb cop watchers.
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So how should we all react? O look at that... and move on? Cop shot him so he must have been a bad guy.... all politicians mean well... and that guy coming out of the bedroom with my wife just fixed my ac.... we're just not supposed to question anyone or anything?
 
Glockster30 said:
This video shows him walking towards the cops with a gun in his hand.

t.co

Man dead after officer involved shooting

Man dead after officer involved shooting
t.co t.co
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So he moves maybe two feet in their direction?

Meanwhile in the OP's video, he has both hands in the air and is standing still, at the moment when the police shoot him from 50+ yards away (they're out of frame to the left).
 
Boghog1 said:
Why do people call police for mental health issues? I mean do you call an electrician when you have plumbing problems?
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"9-1-1, what's your emergency?"
"I'm having a heart attack!"
"Don't worry, I'm sending the police."

"9-1-1, what's your emergency?"
"My house is on fire!"
"Don't worry, I'm sending the police."
 

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