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Next show in Mass?
- Thread starter Chuck
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Oct will be the Big E again.
No big ones in MA during the Summer.
You can check DiPrete www.dipromo.com for any in the "North Country" before then. Labor Day Weekend at Concord, NH is always a very good show (~325 tables).
You can check DiPrete www.dipromo.com for any in the "North Country" before then. Labor Day Weekend at Concord, NH is always a very good show (~325 tables).
LenS said:
I've always thought about checking out one of the NH shows in hopes of finding a dealer with new stuff (well, new to me anyway). Only thing that ever stopped me was the possibility of driving all that way and seeing the same dealers I always see in Massachusetts with the same old guns. Than again maybe the ammo vendor that only works Wilmington could be there.
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Whats the ammo situation like at that show?
In NH venues that I've been to (Manchester & Concord), ALL dealers are allowed to sell ammo. Steve from NY is usually there, but has competition (good for prices).
Some of same dealers as MA, some that absolutely will NOT step foot into MA to sell product.
LOTS of handguns, few of which can be bought by MA Residents, even with a C&R. Prices tend to be "realistic", not the inflated MA prices.
Some of same dealers as MA, some that absolutely will NOT step foot into MA to sell product.
LOTS of handguns, few of which can be bought by MA Residents, even with a C&R. Prices tend to be "realistic", not the inflated MA prices.
LenS said:
How about C&R eligible rifle purchases? Being out of state most dealers sould accept a copy of a C&R for their records, and vice versa for the buyer, making it a smooth transaction as long as the rifle is definitely eligible.
And if not, whats involved in buying something using an LTC? I don't think theres a waiting period on long guns but could be wrong.
Next Gun Show in Mass?
Mil-4 why would you want to buy a long gun in another State useing your
C&R there is no reason to!! if you do you have to log it in your C&R Book.
but you can just buy it on your LTC, thay Call it in for the Fed check and
your on your way!!
Just my two cents!! S.D.
Mil-4 why would you want to buy a long gun in another State useing your
C&R there is no reason to!! if you do you have to log it in your C&R Book.
but you can just buy it on your LTC, thay Call it in for the Fed check and
your on your way!!
Just my two cents!! S.D.
Next Show in mass
Jon J do you mean Registerd in mass? cause alot of people buy C&R guns
that do not have C&R License,s and dont have Bound Books, or dont know
about doing that, but i think you are suposed to send in an A-10form to
be Legal????? Right?? S.D.
Jon J do you mean Registerd in mass? cause alot of people buy C&R guns
that do not have C&R License,s and dont have Bound Books, or dont know
about doing that, but i think you are suposed to send in an A-10form to
be Legal????? Right?? S.D.
Yes, any gun anyone brings in to Mass has to have an FA-10 filed but you mentioned, "why use the C&R because you would have to log in your book".
Even if you do not use the C&R to purchase the firearm (C&R eligible firearm), you still must log into your book, if you hold a C&R License.
Even if you do not use the C&R to purchase the firearm (C&R eligible firearm), you still must log into your book, if you hold a C&R License.
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My understanding (and not to drift off topic here but to keep up with the laws and keep folks informed) is if you buy in a state outside of Mass. you can use your C&R license to purchase a C&R eligible firearm with no call in check as long as you log it into your bound book when you bring it home.
Some folks will tell you all you have to do is log it into your bound book, but from what i've read here and seen on the CHSB, you have to fill out a form so you can "register" your gun with the Massachusetts Socialist Nazi Party errr, I mean Massachusetts Criminal History Systems Board, so they have a record of what you own even though you live in a country where the BATF allows you to buy certain firearms on your own with proper licensing.
BTW.... anyone remember that old saying Registration Leads To Confiscation?
Sorry if i'm drifting wayyyyyy off topic here, just felt like dropping the bricks i've been carrying and flipping a quick bird to the guy in the tower.![[frown]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/003.gif "Frown [frown]")
Won't do it again Boss.
Some folks will tell you all you have to do is log it into your bound book, but from what i've read here and seen on the CHSB, you have to fill out a form so you can "register" your gun with the Massachusetts Socialist Nazi Party errr, I mean Massachusetts Criminal History Systems Board, so they have a record of what you own even though you live in a country where the BATF allows you to buy certain firearms on your own with proper licensing.
BTW.... anyone remember that old saying Registration Leads To Confiscation?
Sorry if i'm drifting wayyyyyy off topic here, just felt like dropping the bricks i've been carrying and flipping a quick bird to the guy in the tower.
Won't do it again Boss.
ANYONE can buy a long gun in NH and walk out with it, as long as you are:
- Buying from an FFL (C&R FFL counts for C&R eligible guns). 4473 and NICS get done by dealer if it isn't a C&R FFL transaction. Only caveat is that the gun has to be MA Legal for the dealer to do the transaction (thus no new hi-caps or evil so-called AWs). I have personally bought both C&R and non-C&R rifles in NH.
- If it is C&R, AND you hold a C&R FFL, you can purchase a C&R eligible gun (handgun or long gun) even from a private individual in NH.
To reiterate what others have said:
- ALL C&R guns (REGARDLESS of How or Where Obtained) MUST be entered into your Bound Book when you take possession or dispose of them. This is a legal and binding condition of accepting the C&R FFL. [Even if the dealer refuses to accept your C&R FFL and makes you do the transaction the long way.]
- ANY gun that comes into MA, into the possession of a LTC/FID holder Resident MUST have an FA-10 form filed with the state within 7 days! Failure to do so is a punishable crime! [ONLY exception is if you move in with the guns.] If obtained from OUTSIDE MA (regardless of how), you do this as a "Registration" with NO SELLER INFO on the form, just gun description and new owner info.
- Same deal if you inherit, buy from a private party within the state, etc.
- Buying from an FFL (C&R FFL counts for C&R eligible guns). 4473 and NICS get done by dealer if it isn't a C&R FFL transaction. Only caveat is that the gun has to be MA Legal for the dealer to do the transaction (thus no new hi-caps or evil so-called AWs). I have personally bought both C&R and non-C&R rifles in NH.
- If it is C&R, AND you hold a C&R FFL, you can purchase a C&R eligible gun (handgun or long gun) even from a private individual in NH.
To reiterate what others have said:
- ALL C&R guns (REGARDLESS of How or Where Obtained) MUST be entered into your Bound Book when you take possession or dispose of them. This is a legal and binding condition of accepting the C&R FFL. [Even if the dealer refuses to accept your C&R FFL and makes you do the transaction the long way.]
- ANY gun that comes into MA, into the possession of a LTC/FID holder Resident MUST have an FA-10 form filed with the state within 7 days! Failure to do so is a punishable crime! [ONLY exception is if you move in with the guns.] If obtained from OUTSIDE MA (regardless of how), you do this as a "Registration" with NO SELLER INFO on the form, just gun description and new owner info.
- Same deal if you inherit, buy from a private party within the state, etc.
Garys
NES Member
Now I'm really confused. Okay, no comments. I thought that if you bought a C&R eligible firearm from a dealer and didn't use your C&R you didn't have to put it in the bound book. Or is just that you don't have to do a FA-10 since the dealer has to do one?
Gary
Gary
Garys said:
My understanding is that you don't need to file a registration form because you are already going through the background check, but if the gun is C&R eligible, it still needs to be logged in your book regardless of how you obtained it. At least thats what I do. Even if not required it makes for good records.
Milsurps 4 Me said:
Huh?
Please do a Search of the Gun Law forum for some of my prior posts. Failure to do an FA-10 on ANY/ALL guns NO MATTER HOW/WHERE obtained is a crime punishable by fines, jail time, loss of LTC for life.
OK, Thanks Len. Apparently I need to go back and read the rules again for a refresher. Apparently, somewhere along the line, I either read it wrong or what I originally understood got bastardized. I was somehow under the impresion that once you get a C&R, you were obligated to record every firearm purchase in your bound book. Couldn't hurt, I guess, but it definitly points up my need to go "wading" again in order to get it right.
Garys
NES Member
LenS said:
I think there might be a misunderstanding. I think what Milsurps meant is that because the dealer does a FA-10 HE doesn't have to. Otherwise there would be TWO FA-10s filed on one transaction.
Gary
Garys said:
Right, in other words if I bought a Russian SKS rifle from Four Seasons by filling out the forms, etc., I wouldn't file a form on my own for that one as its going through the system already.
But since it was 50 years or older, I did log it in the book. Some dealers are hesitant to accept a C&R license because the gun is questionable as C&R status if its right on that 50 year old borderline, thats what happened to me at Four Seasons when I bought the Russian SKS, so I did the background check, form, etc. "long way" purchase.
Yikes, I think we are all getting confused here.
- ONLY 1 FA-10 needs to be made out per transaction. Dealer (in MA), LTC-holder (in MA) or you if bought outside MA with/without a C&R FFL.
- Bound Book is ONLY for C&Rs, but doesn't matter HOW/WHERE you acquired them. Once you get a C&R FFL, you are obligated to the FEDS (and agreeing) to log everything that is C&R in that book for every appropriate transaction.
- BATFE will have a cow if they ever audit you (unlikely) and find NON-C&R guns listed in your C&R FFL BB. You won't have violated any laws (that I am aware of, IANAL) but you would be in "non compliance".
HTH
- ONLY 1 FA-10 needs to be made out per transaction. Dealer (in MA), LTC-holder (in MA) or you if bought outside MA with/without a C&R FFL.
- Bound Book is ONLY for C&Rs, but doesn't matter HOW/WHERE you acquired them. Once you get a C&R FFL, you are obligated to the FEDS (and agreeing) to log everything that is C&R in that book for every appropriate transaction.
- BATFE will have a cow if they ever audit you (unlikely) and find NON-C&R guns listed in your C&R FFL BB. You won't have violated any laws (that I am aware of, IANAL) but you would be in "non compliance".
HTH
