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But that's the problem... You ask for an orange, they give you herpes...
That's how government works.
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But that's the problem... You ask for an orange, they give you herpes...
That's how government works.
We don't care about your regional problem. Your problem does not exist in the overwhelming majority of the country and that same overwhelming majority will fight tooth and nail to keep the feds out of our gun laws.
So sorry. Sucks to be you.
Guess what pal, you are on Northeast shooters, so if you don't care about our regional problem, then wtf are you on this site for? What's the matter, don't they have an Ohio shooters site you can grandstand on?
Guess what pal, you are on Northeast shooters, so if you don't care about our regional problem, then wtf are you on this site for? What's the matter, don't they have an Ohio shooters site you can grandstand on?
Right and you want to make it better for you at the expense of making it worse for Jose and the residents of 45 or so other states. That is mighty progressive of you. We are better off having states compete, not just at gun laws(which there shouldn't be any) but at everything, taxes, right to work laws, etc. Let states set their own laws, collect residents and businesses according to how smart/stupid they are. We still have the option of moving freely around the country.
I'm pretty sure there's some Obama style constitutional forum that you could be posting on too, claiming to be an expert on how certain things aren't rights because they're not specifically enumerated, rather than posting here, but alas we appear to be stuck with you, so don't get your panties in a bunch because Jose is better off than us.
Well apparently you don't have a wife, family, business, or any other factors to prevent you from moving across the country just so you can have less gun regs., so have at it since you can, but I, as well as most others on here don't have that ability, so we would like to fix, or amend the existing laws so that we can live our lives without having to uproot every time we don't like a particular law.
Really? Then why are you on this forum every day?
Nut busting aside...this isn't just a problem in the NE. Even in your more free state of OH, you still have to get a permit and you still have more "rules" than other states with regards to that permit. Until you have constitutional carry your in the same shit creek as us...just in a nicer boat.
Well apparently you don't have a wife, family, business, or any other factors to prevent you from moving across the country just so you can have less gun regs., so have at it since you can, but I, as well as most others on here don't have that ability, so we would like to fix, or amend the existing laws so that we can live our lives without having to uproot every time we don't like a particular law.
And you apparently didn't read anything I wrote, did you? If you did, you'd see where I said I would only be for it if it meant that if you were licensed that any state would accept that license...no further restrictions. IMO not state should be able to put restrictions on rights given to us by the constitution.
Facepalm...Rights given to us by who?
FIFYAnd you apparently didn't read anything I wrote, did you? If you did, you'd see where I said I would only be for it if it meant that if you were licensed that any state would accept that license...no further restrictions. IMO not state should be able to put restrictions on "unalienable," natural rights "endowed by our creator."
Once you give congress the right to legislate something, that something is no longer a right.
Rights given to us by who?
Facepalm...
FIFY
I stand corrected...I shouldn't have said "given to us by the Constitution" I should have said "recognized in the Constitution". Some people would also question the "God given right" statement since some people don't believe there is a God. The right to self defense is a right that wasn't given to us by anyone or anything...it's just common sense.
We don't care about your regional problem. Your problem does not exist in the overwhelming majority of the country and that same overwhelming majority will fight tooth and nail to keep the feds out of our gun laws.
So sorry. Sucks to be you.
I never once said I would condone the government restricting other states laws. How would the act of states accepting licenses from other states affect there current structure in a negative way? I am, and have been, talking about nothing more than reciprocity to the letter of it's definition.Because we here in Ohio work to fix our laws and need no help from the feds. Take a cue from that.
Before 2004 there was no CCW in Ohio. Then the law that was passed sucked big time. In seven years most of the ridiculous restrictions have been eliminated and by the end of this legislative session carrying in ANY establishment that serves liquor (not just restaurants) will be legal as well as getting rid of a bunch of bullshit rules about how to transport a loaded handgun in a car.
We also have enacted castle doctrine, civil immunity from justified shootings, and state-level pre-emption of gun control laws or ordinances.
In the end we are left with a CCW law that is, with a few minor differences, pretty much the same as Florida's.
Again...I never said your laws suck or are in-line with MA. Read my posts again.And maybe you don't seem to get the point that we, like most of the country, don't need a license or depend on some cop's whim to keep and bear arms? If you think Ohio guns laws suck, or are marginally better than MA, you are sadly mistaken. The fact of the matter is that our gun laws are pretty much in line with those in some of the most admired "free" states.
I bet people in AZ and WI felt the same as you at one point too and look at them now.Yeah, constitutional carry would be great. But it's not going to realistically happen in my lifetime.
Again...re-read my posts. I never once condoned any negative law changes in ANY statesIf you want to see what can happen when the fed.gov starts getting in the business of dictating the bearing of arms to state residents, look up Barbara Boxer's bill from earlier this year.
Fix your own state. Leave the rest of us alone, we will fix ours.
I based my comment on this:OBTW, you don't know shit about what happens during traffic stops here when you are armed. I can tell you that from personal experience.
Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
If a person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and if the person is carrying a concealed handgun as a CCW licensee, whether in a motor vehicle or not, the person shall inform the law enforcement ofcer that the person is carrying a concealed handgun, keep his or her hands in plain sight at all times and not touch the concealed handgun, unless in accordance with directions given by any law enforcement officer. Violating this section of law is a first degree misdemeanor, and in addition to any other penalty handed down by a court, shall result in the suspension of the person’s concealed handgun license for one year.
I never once said I would condone the government restricting other states laws. How would the act of states accepting licenses from other states affect there current structure in a negative way? I am, and have been, talking about nothing more than reciprocity to the letter of it's definition.
And that is awesome, I never said otherwise. What I said is that as long as you still have restrictions in place you are still in a fight and should care about it on a national level
Again...I never said your laws suck or are in-line with MA. Read my posts again.
I bet people in AZ and WI felt the same as you at one point too and look at them now.
Again...re-read my posts. I never once condoned any negative law changes in ANY states
I based my comment on this:
What "happens during traffic stops here when you are armed" and what the law states is apparently two different things.
You still didn't answer my original question...If you don't give a shit about us and our commie NE laws, then why do you spend so much time on this forum commenting on them? Inquiring minds want to know
I smell liberal whine. He doesn't have valid voice, he shouldn't be allowed to speak...
What you imagine the law requires you to do and how things actually happen in real life ARE two different things.What "happens during traffic stops here when you are armed" and what the law states is apparently two different things.
When your lack of reciprocity spurs you to call for federal interventions where it doesn't belong and where it would affect me, it does become my business.You still didn't answer my original question...If you don't give a shit about us and our commie NE laws, then why do you spend so much time on this forum commenting on them? Inquiring minds want to know
I smell liberal whine. He doesn't have valid voice, he shouldn't be allowed to speak...
What you imagine the law requires you to do and how things actually happen in real life ARE two different things.
Where you do get stupid stuff like hold out your hands out the window? I keep my hands on the steering wheel until the cop asks me to get something.
I know where you are coming from. You guys are so terrified of what a cop would do if you told them that you had a pistol on you that you cannot comprehend the fact that most cops outside your part of the world really don't give a shit as long as you are legal. Ohio cops know to expect being told such things like "hi officer, I need to inform you that I have an LTC and I am carrying a pistol". So they don't freak at the mention of the word "gun".
Not once in the three times I have dealt with police on the road have things turned nasty or unprofessional. Once I got a ticket, once I got a warning, and once a statie pulled up behind me to warn other traffic of my truck blowing steam buy the side of the road. All three times I was armed and all three times that fact was a non-issue immediately after telling the officer.
It is awfully nice of you to presume to know how onerous the requirement to inform in, when frankly you know nothing about how police in other parts of the country react to law abiding gun owners.
When your lack of reciprocity spurs you to call for federal interventions where it doesn't belong and where it would affect me, it does become my business.
BTW, I did not realize that you have that much reciprocity with just 2 LTC's, that is awesome. For me, it would require several just to cover most of the New England states, let alone the rest of the country. I can see from that perspective why this discussion would really not be of much value to you.
With a MA LTC and a Non-Res UT permit you can carry in 33 states
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mass, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, & Wyoming
Gun licenses do not exist in Vermont. Anyone who is not a prohibited person (by US and VT definitions) can legally own, possess, carry openly or concealed, and use firearms while in VT regardless of one's state of residence.I know VT doesn't have a specific LTC, but would the MA LTC cover me there?
Gun licenses do not exist in Vermont. Anyone who is not a prohibited person (by US and VT definitions) can legally own, possess, carry openly or concealed, and use firearms while in VT regardless of one's state of residence.
The majority of the country is the same way except for needing a license to conceal.