Muslims and 'assault weapons'

[kevin9]

The Bible has a TON of really f*cked up violent shit in it.

Virtually all in the Old Testament, and much of it is historical versus directive. Off the top of my head I only recall 1 instance in the New Testament where violence was perpetrated by a believer (Peter) against a non-believer, and in that case Jesus rebuked Peter and healed the injured party. Given that the New Testament places the old into a different context I feel safe in saying the core tenets of Christianity in no way compare to the repressive and jihadist tenets that Islam seems to still include.

I have read in multiple places that Islam follows a similar "rule", called abrogation, whereby later verses in the Qur'an take precedence over earlier writings when there is apparent conflict. There seems to be some debate in Islam over the term "abrogation", but the basic principle that later verses in some way take precedence over earlier verses seems to be widely accepted.

Where it gets interesting is that I have read in a few places that in areas where there are apparent contradictions, or further explanations, in the Qur'an that the later verses tend to be more violent, more militant, and less tolerant. Some examples are given that seem very convincing, but not having read the Qur'an in total myself (nor am I likely to), I cannot state with certainty that this trend is true; although, the jihadist, terrorist and anti-infidel actions by a notable set of self-identified devout Muslims tends to lend credence to the theory.

To the OP, I'm not against Muslims being allowed to immigrate to the US, as long as they commit to the basic Constitutional principles the country was founded on (ex. freedom of religion, no taxation w/o representation, freedom of speech), and are willing to work and contribute positively to society. If they want to come here to sponge off our largesse, and convert the US to a Muslim theocracy, then by all mean keep them out.

 

[just jim]

Brady gave Kali an "A" and Texas an "F" on gun control. Kali has 14 murdered by terrorist and Texas killed two terrorist before they could murder. Ya'll getting the drift yet?

 

[just jim]

So I wasn't here when the discussion was going on after 911, did ya'll think it was a good deal to train muslims to fly after that? No really....

 

[kevin9]

So I wasn't here when the discussion was going on after 911, did ya'll think it was a good deal to train muslims to fly after that? No really....

Not sure NES was even up at the time (derek's join date is 2005), but I suspect people would have not thought it a good idea to train anyone who was only interested in takeoffs, not landings, regardless their religion.

 

[BKM5]

I think that opinions change when it comes to immigrants from nations with known anti American tendencies.

It's easy to point fingers and consider all Muslims bad guys. But also, just as easy, to consider all of them good guys.
Times have changed and old ways do not work as well. This world has become a lot smaller in the last 2 decades. I think that the shitty part is yet to come. It looks like it'll take a while for us to figure out what will work best. Until then there will be plenty of misunderstandings from both sides.

Global intervention is a must

 

[just jim]

Not sure NES was even up at the time (derek's join date is 2005), but I suspect people would have not thought it a good idea to train anyone who was only interested in takeoffs, not landings, regardless their religion.

So since the thread is about muslims and assault rifles are ya'll good with them training in your clubs? The kali killers trained for a year with their weapons at a gun club.

 

[headednorth]

When I took my BFS course, there were a couple of Muslim guys who kept asking about rifles, like 3 or 4 times. Instructor finally was like "Ok Ok, we'll get to it." Kind of made me think of the 9/11 guys in flight school who had no interest in take-offs and landings.

 

[drgrant]

When I took my BFS course, there were a couple of Muslim guys who kept asking about rifles, like 3 or 4 times. Instructor finally was like "Ok Ok, we'll get to it." Kind of made me think of the 9/11 guys in flight school who had no interest in take-offs and landings.

Howd you know they were muslims?

 

[headednorth]

Howd you know they were muslims?

Eh, good point. Middle Eastern with Arabic names I should say. Agreed, that doesnt necessarily make them Muslim.

 

[Bonesinium]

Howd you know they were muslims?

They were probably Indonesian.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

So since the thread is about muslims and assault rifles are ya'll good with them training in your clubs? The kali killers trained for a year with their weapons at a gun club.

more white people have killed people in mass shootings than muslims have. Are you ok shooting next to white people at a gun range? Ill shoot next to muslims at a gun range, ill socialize with them, hell if i saw a hot muslim chick, id hit on her.

 

[just jim]

more white people have killed people in mass shootings than muslims have. Are you ok shooting next to white people at a gun range?

Not true, just since October muslim terrorist have murdered over 500 people. Was on Fox business Lou Dobbs just an hour ago.

 

[kevin9]

So since the thread is about muslims and assault rifles are ya'll good with them training in your clubs? The kali killers trained for a year with their weapons at a gun club.

Speaking only for myself, of course I wouldn't want to have terrorists training at my club, but neither am I comfortable with a blanket ban simply based on religion. I think a private club could choose to do so on their own, their place, their rules, but any form of government involvement is a no-go for me. A club, or government, that would ban Muslims today could just as easily ban Christians, or atheists, or Jews, or Pastafarians tomorrow.

People should be judged on their actions. Situations like this one could make me nervous, and maybe take the next step to inquire some more, and maybe even say something depending on what's learned:

When I took my BFS course, there were a couple of Muslim guys who kept asking about rifles, like 3 or 4 times. Instructor finally was like "Ok Ok, we'll get to it." Kind of made me think of the 9/11 guys in flight school who had no interest in take-offs and landings.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

Not true, just since October muslim terrorist have murdered over 500 people. Was on Fox business Lou Dobbs just an hour ago.

muslim terrorists have murdered 500 people in the U.S. since October?

 

[kalash]

So since the thread is about muslims and assault rifles are ya'll good with them training in your clubs? The kali killers trained for a year with their weapons at a gun club.

Yeah let's discriminate based on solely religion. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

Yeah let's discriminate based on solely religion. What could possibly go wrong?

someone tried that once, wasnt there goose stepping involved?

 

[just jim]

muslim terrorists have murdered 500 people in the U.S. since October?

Never said in the Us, world wide but if you want to compare numbers how many US white guys murdered people all over the world since october?

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Yeah let's discriminate based on solely religion. What could possibly go wrong?

Well by law .... https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2015/12/09/trump-vindicated-again-islamic-immigrants-violate-immigration-and-nationality-act-of-1952/

 

[kevin9]

muslim terrorists have murdered 500 people in the U.S. since October?

The original statement was not qualified to the US. Given events in Paris and Africa I can see 500 worldwide.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

The original statement was not qualified to the US. Given events in Paris and Africa I can see 500.

except the whole premise of the thread are muslims entering the U.S. being not all that different from an AWB which also effects only the U.S. and my original response was to a comment saying Muslims training at our clubs.

 

[just jim]

someone tried that once, wasnt there goose stepping involved?

Yes there was, socialist Nazi Germany used the law to go after the jews. So since you are the history buff, how do muslims treat the jews?

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

Never said in the Us, world wide but if you want to compare numbers how many US white guys murdered people all over the world since october?

no but your comment that i responded to was specifically about the U.S.

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Yes there was, socialist Nazi Germany used the law to go after the jews. So since you are the history buff, how do muslims treat the jews?

like ****, what does that have to do with the rights of citizens in this country? White people treat black people like **** in this country as well. What is your point?

Ill ask you this, do you like Freedom, Civil Liberties?

 

[kman]

OK here is a real world scenario about a Pakistani Muslim I went to high school with who wasn't religious when I met him but later become religious. He had two sisters and one time I asked him, what would happen if they married a Christian and converted? He said, kill them. Not joking either. Another time I asked him, is killing ok warranted by your religion? He said yes but they he couldn't come out and say something like that in public become everyone in the US all are hypocrites where we all say one thing and do another. He said all our politicians lie in the same way. He said some people deserved to die for instance, if you said really bad things about Mohammed and/or hurt their cause on a large scale (i.e. spreading Islam.) I remember him being happy when they bombed the WTC in 1993. He said he went outside and shouted hooray. So how do you do about someone like this?

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

OK here is a real world scenario about a Pakistani Muslim I went to high school with who wasn't religious when I met him but later become religious. He had two sisters and one time I asked him, what would happen if they married a Christian and converted? He said, kill them. Not joking either. Another time I asked him, is killing ok warranted by your religion? He said yes but they he couldn't come out and say something like that in public become everyone in the US all are hypocrites where we all say one thing and do another. He said all our politicians lie in the same way. He said some people deserved to die for instance, if you said really bad things about Mohammed and/or hurt their cause on a large scale (i.e. spreading Islam.) I remember him being happy when they bombed the WTC in 1993. He said he went outside and shouted hooray. So how do you so about someone like this?

tell him to go **** himself.

 

[kman]

tell him to go **** himself.

lol well he lives in Hartford CT now and posts on Facebook he owns multiple handguns

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

lol well he lives in Hartford CT now and posts on Facebook he owns multiple handguns

are his sisters hot?

 

[kalash]

Yes there was, socialist Nazi Germany used the law to go after the jews. So since you are the history buff, how do muslims treat the jews?

Do you believe that the majority (over 50%) of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims follow Sharia, hate Jews, and want to kill infidels? Yes or no?

 

[kman]

is his sisters hot?

lol no, He married his first cousin too. Apparently that is acceptable in other parts of the world (and down south maybe?)

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

lol no, He married his first cousin too. Apparently that is acceptable in other parts of the world (and down south maybe?)

oh, shame

 

[Beretta92FS]

Large capacity assault muslims?

 

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