Gun crime is up to 60 per cent higher than (UK) government statistics suggest

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Short version, UK Home Office is cooking the books to slap lipstick on the gun ban piggy. They don't report any trafficking or possession related gun crimes, amidst others as, you guessed it, gun crimes. Just discharges, pistol whipping (huh???) and brandishing reports are counted as gun crimes. This means their "gun problem" is far bigger than once thought and comparing the UK to the US (a Brady favorite) is absolutely useless. I wonder how many other supposedly safe nations there are whose books are cooked so that when compared with other more honest nations, they look better.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-crime-60pc-higher-than-official-figures.html
Gun crime 60pc higher than official figures
The true level of gun crime is far higher than the Government admits in official statistics, it can be revealed.

By David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 8:22AM BST 19 Oct 2008

Figures to be published by the Home Office this week will massively understate the scale of the problem.
Data provided to The Sunday Telegraph by nearly every police force in England and Wales, under freedom of information laws, show that the number of firearms incidents dealt with by officers annually is 60 per cent higher than figures stated by the Home Office.
Last year 5,600 firearms offences were excluded from the official figures. It means that, whereas the Home Office said there were only 9,800 offences in 2007/8, the real total was around 15,400. The latest quarterly figures, due to be released on Thursday, will again exclude a significant number of incidents.
The explanation for the gulf is that the Government figures only include cases where guns are fired, used to "pistol whip" victims, or brandished as a threat.
Thousands of offences including gun-smuggling and illegal possession of a firearm - which normally carries a minimum five-year jail sentence - are omitted from the Home Office's headline count, raising questions about the reliability of Government crime data.
Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "These alarming new figures not only highlight the appalling state of gun crime in this country, but also remind us just how poor the Government's statistics actually are.
"Crime statistics must also be compiled and published independent of the Home Office, and crime mapping rolled out so that people can have confidence in what they are being told about the state of crime in this country."
Chris Huhne, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, said the figures revealed the extent to which gun crime is a "scar on society".
"It is shocking that the Home Office is in denial about the extent of gun crime by refusing to include offences where a gun is present but not brandished," he said.
"This is another strong reason why the Home Office should not be in charge of collecting its own statistics, which should be put directly under the responsibility of the Office for National Statistics.
"Gun crime must be treated with the same seriousness and concern as knife crime. Both are a scar on our society."
In all, there were at least 5,612 offences excluded from the Home Office's official gun crime total last year, according to figures supplied by police forces.
The true total number of excluded offences will have been even higher, because two of the 43 forces in England and Wales, Thames Valley and Leicestershire, failed to hand over their data when asked to do so under the Freedom of Information Act, and a large urban force, Greater Manchester, provided incomplete statistics. Scotland records gun crime differently.
When the Home Office publishes its latest quarterly crime figures on Thursday, they will include a section on gun crime injuries and deaths, but the figures will again exclude a significant number of incidents.
The Sunday Telegraph's figures suggest that the Metropolitan Police's official tally of 3,300 gun crimes in 2006/7, the most recent available, would have risen to around 5,000 if excluded categories had been counted. In 2007, Met officers dealt with 1,678 firearms incidents which were not included in the official tally. The Met's figures show that offences of firearms possession in the capital rose from 850 five years ago to 1,400 last year.
After the Met, the second-highest number of offences excluded from the official statistics was recorded by West Midlands Police with 404, taking the force's true annual total of gun crimes to around 1,400.
Richard Garside, director of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College London, said: "We welcome this research. Effective policy-making needs to be informed by the best information available.
"Firearms offences are comparatively rare in Britain, and the vast majority thankfully do not result in a serious or fatal injury. But if the police already collect this information it is difficult to understand why it should not be put routinely into the public domain."
The Home Office crime figures document states: "Firearms are taken to be involved in a crime if they are fired, used as a blunt instrument against a person, or used as a threat."
A Home Office spokeswoman said: "Gun crime figures have only ever included offences involving the use of a firearm. These counting rules for these figures were drawn up by the Home Office in conjunction with police."
She added: "There are five offences which are not included in the firearm statistics, and which can be tried for in the courts."
The Sunday Telegraph also recently revealed that knife crime figures were at least two-thirds higher than official figures.
Police statistics showed forces in England and Wales are on course to record 38,000 serious knife crimes this year, or more than 100 a day, compared with last year's official total of 22,151 offences, a figure announced by the Home Office in July in its first annual count of knife crimes.
 
It's a more harmful version of pipe whipping, due to the increased chance of premature discharge.

I know what it is, I meant how many people are going to use a gun as a blunt object? They may as well not even count it in the stats frankly which means brandishing and discharges are all they really count.
 
I know what it is, I meant how many people are going to use a gun as a blunt object? They may as well not even count it in the stats frankly which means brandishing and discharges are all they really count.

I'd be more afraid of being whipped by my Ruger MkII than my Sig 239... that front sight is going to take a HUGE chuck of skin with it.
 
Can we lose the phrase "gun crime" unless you're talking about a gun that went out BY ITSELF and committed a crime?

Call it what it is: crime committed with a gun... not by one.
 
Bobby`s

Can you imagine being an unarmed Cop over there? You`d be taking your life in your hands every time you went on duty. Do ya think they`ll ever smarten up and arm their cops?
 
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