Deval Forgives Unarmed Woman Killer Horiuchi

[Patriot]

What a freakin' spin on this.

Background - The Siege

On August 21, 1992, several US Marshals were sent to prepare for the raid on the Weaver cabin. Since Randy Weaver was a former Green Beret and it was believed the Weaver family were fully prepared to fight, an initial reconnaissance team armed with machine guns was sent in to survey the location and prepare for the military style assault. They spent most of the night and early morning moving around the family property.

The group had strict orders that they were to avoid all contact with the Weaver family. According to a Department of Justice report on the incident, the Marshals were detected by the Weavers' dogs and began to retreat. Randy Weaver, his 14-year-old son Sam and his house guest, family friend Kevin Harris, left the house to investigate, all carrying firearms. The DOJ report corroborates this with a statement dictated by Randy Weaver to his daughter, in which he says that "Approximately 11:30 Friday morning....the dogs started barking like they always do when strangers walk up the driveway. Randy, Kevin, and Sam ran out to the rock with their weapons." The dog chased the Marshals through the woods, and Sam and Harris followed the dog. Eventually the Marshals stopped retreating and took up defensive positions in the woods.

The sequence of events during the ensuing shootout is disputed, with Harris saying that the camouflaged Marshals did not identify themselves and were the first to fire at Sam's dog, which was approaching their position with Sam close behind him. Sam then fired at the person who had shot the dog. The Marshals' version of events is that they were fired upon first and only then returned fire.

Sam, according to Harris, then yelled "You shot Striker, you son of a bitch!", and fired twice at Marshal Roderick, the leader of the Special Operations Group. One or more Marshals returned fire, shooting Sam in the back and arm as he ran back up the hill. Harris then shot and killed Marshal William Degan, and retreated up the hill himself where he found Sam.

The next day, an FBI sniper named Lon Horiuchi shot and wounded Weaver while Weaver, Harris, and Weaver's 16-year-old daughter Sara were outside, attempting to visit the dead body of Sam Weaver, which was placed in a shed after being recovered by the family the previous day. Weaver was shot in the upper right arm as he went to lift the latch of the shed. Then as Randy, Sara and Harris ran back to the house, Horiuchi fired again, hitting Vicki Weaver in the head while she was inside the house holding the door open. The bullet which killed Vicki, continued on to hit Harris in the left arm/chest. Vicki Weaver was holding her 10 month old baby Elishiba in her arms when she was killed. The next day, an armored personnel carrier came to the cabin and announced the presence of law enforcement. According to the Weavers, this was the first formal announcement of the presence of law enforcement.

That SOB Horiuchi was part of an out of control FBI good ol' boy hunt-em-down-and-kill-em pack and used her (holding her
infant) as target practice.

http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics/view.bg?articleid=165265

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In 1994, Patrick, the Democratic candidate for governor who was then assistant attorney general, concluded there was insufficient basis to prosecute FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi for shooting and killing 43-year-old Vicki Weaver. Horiuchi had testified that he opened fire on the woman’s husband and his friend, Kevin Harris, when he thought they were about to fire on an FBI helicopter.
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[Scrivener]

In 1994, Patrick, the Democratic candidate for governor who was then assistant attorney general, concluded there was insufficient basis to prosecute FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi for shooting and killing 43-year-old Vicki Weaver. Horiuchi had testified that he opened fire on the woman’s husband and his friend, Kevin Harris, when he thought they were about to fire on an FBI helicopter.

And just where, exactly, is there any statement of forgiveness?

A prosecutor's decision that there is insufficient evidence to take to court is not equivalent to as assertion that:

1. A wrong was committed; AND

2. That the sinner has been forgiven by the victim.

Indeed, who is Patrick to "forgive" anyone involved, as he is neither one of the victim nor related to them?

 

[Kurtz]

Another Reno blunder. As far as Horiuchi is concerned he made a fatal error of judgement, then lied about what happened.

 

[Scrivener]

Another Reno blunder. As far as Horiuchi is concerned he made a fatal error of judgement, then lied about what happened.

And had the Feds cover his homicidal ass.

 

[Jose]

And had the Feds cover his homicidal ass.

Ayup

MURDERER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

 

[Scrivener]

My assertion that he 'forgave' is based on the political climate at the time and was meant to imply that the main characters at the top of the food chain wanted to do anything and everything to paint this as something other than what it wound up being. A government out of control, murdering people that they thought they could murder, and get away with it - and they did.

Which has NOTHING to do with forgiveness and, by your own analysis, NOTHING to do with Patrick because he "was only following orders....."

If you think that Patrick did not forgive Horiuchi you are naive. Chosing not to prosecute is simply the method, not the action.

You might look up the definition of "forgive" to see just how flawed your initial assertion - and your subsequent rationalization of it - really is. It is irrelevant to the facts of the case, as your present post shows.

 

[Patriot]

I don't know quite how to respond to your question. Are you just parsing
my selection of words? My assertion that he 'forgave' is based on the
political climate at the time and was meant to imply that the main
characters at the top of the food chain wanted to do anything and
everything to paint this as something other than what it wound up
being. A government out of control, murdering people that they thought
they could murder, and get away with it - and they did.

So, in the final analysis, they were right. The only vindication the Weavers
received is that Gerry Spence put it to the public and made the people who
did not commit the crime (you, me, and the rest of the taxpayers) pay for the
crime in dollars and cents.

Losing your wife and 14 year old boy to the paid government FBI assassins &
butchers is a burden that no man should suffer and a cost no man should
have to pay.

If you think that Patrick did not forgive Horiuchi you are naive. Chosing not
to prosecute is simply the method, not the action.

TBP

And just where, exactly, is there any statement of forgiveness?

A prosecutor's decision that there is insufficient evidence to take to court is not equivalent to as assertion that:

1. A wrong was committed; AND

2. That the sinner has been forgiven by the victim.

Indeed, who is Patrick to "forgive" anyone involved, as he is neither one of the victim nor related to them?

 

[FalArAk]

Not that I don't agree with your analysis of the events BP...

Patrick didn't "forgive" him as much as I would like to believe,only so I can further reinforce my belief he is scum...Most likely Patrick was just "following orders" from some high ranking .gov official.

"Can we overlook evidence and let a .gov official get away with murder?"

"Yes we can !!!!"