Chicago prohibition on city gun sales challenged

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New gun ban prompts new lawsuit
Prohibition on city gun sales challenged by gun shop owner


6:46 p.m. CDT, July 9, 2010


Mayor Richard Daley's newly minted ban on gun stores in Chicago is being challenged in federal court by a man who hopes to sell firearms from a Lincoln Park storefront.

Joe Franzese, who owns Second Amendment Arms in far north suburban Lake Villa, believes the gun regulation the Chicago City Council passed last week is unconstitutional. While the ordinance allows residents to own handguns, it outlaws their sale within the city, said Franzese's lawyer, Walter Maksym.

"That would be like allowing people to read books, then outlawing libraries and bookstores," said Maksym, who filed a federal lawsuit Friday on Franzese's behalf.

The suit also calls on the city to repay the owners of firearms confiscated under Chicago's 1982 handgun ban, which the U.S. Supreme Court late last month indicated is not constitutional.


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Robert Zieman, a Chicago sanitation department worker, had about nine guns confiscated by the city around 2004, Maksym said. Zieman and anyone else who had guns taken away under the old ban should be eligible for restitution for the cost of the weapons and any costs they incurred to defend themselves, Maksym said in the suit.

In addition, the suit calls for those people to have their records cleared of any conviction. "Because it's a gun offense, it kind of stigmatizes people and sticks with them," Maksym said.

A city Law Department spokeswoman said the suit is trying to "greatly expand the limited right" granted in the Supreme Court's rulings on gun bans in Chicago and the District of Columbia.

The rulings, which overturned bans in both cities, recognized the right "to possess a handgun in the home for purposes of self-defense," said Law Department spokeswoman Jennifer Hoyle.

She added that the city believes it has "strong legal defenses" against any claims for damages dating back to 1982.

"In addition to statute of limitations issues, individuals who failed to challenge the constitutionality of the gun ordinance have waived their legal claims and are not entitled to now seek restitution for their guns or their legal costs," she said.

Maksym said the Lincoln Park gun store would be a "boutique" where only people with valid Firearm Owner's ID cards would be allowed to shop for guns brought out to them from a vault.

City Corporation Counsel Mara Georges has said there is a prohibition against displaying guns for sale in the current city ordinance. The new law, which takes effect Monday, will ban the sale outright.

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"In addition to statute of limitations issues, individuals who failed to challenge the constitutionality of the gun ordinance have waived their legal claims and are not entitled to now seek restitution for their guns or their legal costs,"

This is utter crap!
Because someone was a victim of a latter proven unconstitutional law, had their property seized, and didn't have the money to challenge it back then, now has no legal recourse for damages?

WTF ?????

I swear these asshats make this shit up as they go along!

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I swear these asshats make this shit up as they go along!

Wait, there was doubt? Of course they make it up as they go along. If they thought about any of this stuff beforehand they'd have to use ... um... foresight or logic or something. That's clearly not happening.
 
You can't even display guns in a locked case in a gun store.....wow....

The next thing you know they will come up some crazy system were guns sold nation wide and, carried by thousands are law enforcement agents, are deemed unsafe by a arbitrary system and banned from sale.
 
This is utter crap!
Because someone was a victim of a latter proven unconstitutional law, had their property seized, and didn't have the money to challenge it back then, now has no legal recourse for damages?

WTF ?????

I swear these asshats make this shit up as they go along!

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If people really wanted to be free, when elected officials and/or their appointees said ignorant things like that or say "It's not illegal to be illegal in MA", they'd be removed from office before they could say "but?"

Instead we keep giving this incompetent morons more power. Her statement fails on every level... She should be fired and sued for malpractice in her representation of the city...
 
I can't believe tax payers are not pissed about the amount of tax payer money this moron is spending defending against all these law suites.
 
I expect them to use every roadblock they can. The court says they don't have the power to have an outright ban, so they've fallen back to plan B. Make everything as difficult and onerous as possible.

This won't change until court cases are brought up challenging each of these stupidities, and you can bet that Chicago will fight each and every case to the last dollar left in the resident's pockets.

"So, you've got a right to have a gun? Fine. Now try to actually exercise that right." Chicago, and places like it, will follow the letter of the law and not the spirit. The residents of Chicago have two choices. They can fight every stupid restriction piece by piece, or they could replace the elected officials who are screwing them over.

Neither choice will be easy.
 
The bastards would rather spend millions in taxpayer dollars than acquiese to the American ideal of freedom. What a disgusting lot.

Chicago gun law may not be bulletproof
Some legal experts unsure parts of new firearms ordinance can survive


As Chicago prepares to implement its new firearms ordinance Monday, gun advocates have begun a legal assault, filing two lawsuits that constitutional law experts said could be the next round of challenges to how cities can regulate personal gun ownership.

Less than two weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for citizens to have handguns at home, Chicago was hit with the lawsuits that target, among other things, the city's ban on gun shops, a controversial and untested regulation that lawyers said could be the next frontier in the battle over firearm rights.

Though Chicago officials said the ordinance, adopted after the court gutted the city's 28-year-old handgun ban, was designed to withstand legal challenges, law experts said some aspects of it might not hold up. While it is impossible to know how far the two federal lawsuits will go in court, experts said banning gun sales, limiting permit holders to one ready-to-fire weapon in a home and prohibiting guns in garages, porches and yards could pose problems for the city in the long run.

"Chicago is in for a long legal challenge," said Eugene Kontorovich, an associate professor at Northwestern University Law School. "Clearly, parts of the ordinance will be struck down, but it is hard to predict how quickly that will happen."

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