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ATTN: NRA Instructors - New eLearning Changes

Discussion in 'Training' started by Len-2A Training, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    To all NRA Instructors:

    I strongly suggest that you log into the NRA Instructor web portal and click on "Training Updates". It will give you a good idea of what NRA is doing and thinking with regards to their new "blended learning" program.

    There is some interesting expectations in that 4 page release.
     

  2. jefftk

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    They make some good arguments for it. Sounds like it would be a good idea in addition to the way courses are currently run, rather than instead of.
     
  3. RLBreton

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    So...how do we think that MA is going to react to this? I can't see this happening ever.
     
  4. yanici

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    Especially knowing that the online exam answers will become public and posted on the internet, and even those who don't have a clue will pass the online class.
     
  5. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    I expect NRA to de-certify the course for BFS, that's what I expect to happen.
     
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    REDSFIREARMS Dealer NES Member

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    Fantastic!!!


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  7. yanici

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    I saw somewhere that once the online training is made available that it will be the only method to participate in the classes. I can't find that statement.

    Can anyone point me to where this is shown on an accredited site?
     
  8. jasons

    jasons Moderator Moderator NES Life Member NES Member

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    I'm not seeing the press release on the training updates page (http://trainingupdate.nra.org) What am I missing?
     
  9. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    That site is the 4 page (when printed) description of what is coming. I just didn't think it wise to publish the webpage to the world, after all it is a link on a restricted (to NRA Instructors) website.
     
  10. Rob Boudrie

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    We're talking real secret squirrel stuff here.
     
  11. jasons

    jasons Moderator Moderator NES Life Member NES Member

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    It doesn't appear to require a login or anything like that, and Google indexes it so it couldn't be much of a secret.

    Anyway, I don't see anything about online training. I see the list of current training material, tips on becoming a better speaker, info about their Action Rifle Challenge, and ads for the advanced pistol instructor and coach's courses. I thought maybe I was in the wrong place.
     
  12. JGreen

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    It was there several days ago and is not there now.
     
  13. jasons

    jasons Moderator Moderator NES Life Member NES Member

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    Maybe they were just testing the waters...
     
  14. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    VERY Interesting!!

    I printed it out yesterday and there was a lot more than you can see now.
     
  15. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    Since NRA yanked the info from the website, the following may or may not make a lot of sense to you. However these are the points I picked out in reviewing the document prior to it being changed by NRA.

     
  16. Rob Boudrie

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    The NRA prices seem a bit excessive. For example, the RSO course which you take on line, is fully automated, and probably has an on-line quiz is $125. One problem with these pricing levels is they will limit students to those compelled (by licensing or other requirements) to take their classes, and will motivate licensing instructors in states like MA to gravitate towards other qualifying courses.
     
  17. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    NRA Changed their site again and the info on eLearning is back. Haven't had time yet to read it and compare to what they took down.
     
  18. jasons

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    After reading the info, I'm not sure that this is really such a bad idea. If we can cut the classroom portion of our classes in half (or more) and focus on the shooting instead, that means more time to observe and instruct in real time on a live firing line. It also means that we can run more classes and get more people trained. It also means that fewer instructors are needed to handle the students, so there's no reason to keep shitty instructors on the rolls just to meet demand.

    As with all things it will depend on how it's actually implemented. If they want this to work they'll have to start getting serious about making sure that the instructors doing the check-outs are actually good.
     
  19. Rob Boudrie

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    That largely depends on the pricing. The NRA blew it by introducing the concept without pricing.

    If the pricing is comparable to what instructors now pay for the student packet, it could work out nicely. If the NRA tries to charge $50 for the on-line course, when instructors offer the course in total for $75-$100, there will be resistance and, in the case of MA, more instructors will go to state, but not NRA, certified courses.
     
  20. robmcd

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    There was a survey link in the October 27th Training Update that was emailed to current Instructors. You should consider making your thoughts known.

    The "blended learning" cutover will occur early next year, and the online portion will replace the book. It will be interesting to see the fee structure. I believe that many other courses will be done this was in the future, beginning with Basic Instructor Training (BIT).

    I'm not sure what the Commonwealth will have to say about the new format, but bear in mind that Masswildlife has begun offering the Basic Hunter Education course in such a format.
     
  21. Len-2A Training

    Len-2A Training Instructor Instructor NES Life Member NES Member

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    Rob, what training update email? I get plenty of NBA email, but nothing on training.
     
  22. PATRON

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    I don't like this idea at all. The NRA is looking for ways to make a fast buck.
     

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