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Might be stirring up a hornets nest here but the 17HMR is a poor choice for coyote. I'm well aware of people who have done it and heard all the stories, but it's a marginal performer in anything larger than a jackrabbit. Thin 17gr projectiles at rim fire speed are stopped pretty easily by a rib, shoulder blade ect.

We we did field clearing for a jack rabbit problem and used 17HMR's, only excellent shots (head, or the tiny vital zone) put them down cleanly, other ran off with their guts trailing behind them or flopped endlessly. I'm talking 100 or more jacks over a weekend. I've seen more coyotes wounded and run off from the somehow miraculous 17HMR than any other caliber combined.

I agree the .17 HRM is weaksauce on coyote, but at nighttime distances (without artificial lights), I think it would be doable, given the options. Of course, I don't think it is one of the allowed rimfires, now that I think of it. I wonder if GOAL would be willing to put together a bill to make it all rimfires; as a stepping stone to wherever else we'd like to be.

I don't know why nobody has come out with a solid lead flatpoint or hollowpoint round, or the Barnes-X, for better penetration.



Workable pistols, but I don't think any of them is going to carry enough velocity to stretch out the effective nighttime range on coyote the way a rifle without the stupid restrictions would.

Maybe a 15"" 17 HMR Contender pistol... could still get some decent velocities at that barrel length. 14" 17 HMR is a factory available barrel, too. Could do the same with the 22 TCM, as well. In the same neighborhood as the 22 Hornet, but based on a parent case you can pick off the ground on any range in the US. 17 HMR would certainly be easier, since I already shoot it.

Hmmm......
Again, how much "nightime range" is required, without lights?

Tell us about the 22 TCM. I not only know nothing of it, I've never heard of it.

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22 Rem Jet and 256 Win Mag, though they'll both probably need to be shortened slightly.

Parent case for both of these is either the 38 Special or 357 Magnum.
 

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22 TCM

First run of 22TCM. They're so cute when they're little, it's parked next to a .223 case.



It's got potential, but I made some errors reloading that got me a 4 out of 25 no fire rate. It's been a while since I loaded bottleneck cartridges for the Contender, and I had forgotten how unforgiving of headspace and case errors it is. Made it through the first batch without overpressure signs, and am a bit under the presumed max stolen from 22 Hornet. It should be fun once I un**** my process for reloading these little guys.
 

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First run of 22TCM. They're so cute when they're little, it's parked next to a .223 case.



It's got potential, but I made some errors reloading that got me a 4 out of 25 no fire rate. It's been a while since I loaded bottleneck cartridges for the Contender, and I had forgotten how unforgiving of headspace and case errors it is. Made it through the first batch without overpressure signs, and am a bit under the presumed max stolen from 22 Hornet. It should be fun once I un**** my process for reloading these little guys.
Cool. A picture next to a .22 Hornet, .17HMR, .22Mag, and a .17WSM would be good reference points.
 

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260 Ackley, before and after fire forming:

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And the target from fireforming. 100 yds, dot is one inch. Load was a 260 Rem starting charge of RL19 which I found lying around. Top left involved some scope adjustment, after that 5 round groups. Bottom left had a problem - the low flyer had noticably low recoil, and left what looked like a line of unburned powder down the barrel. All the rest were ok.

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I think this rifle shows some potential.
 
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I'd like something between .17 WSM or .17 Hornet on the low end, up to .223 on the large end, for coyote.

Liking the .17 Hornet, .17 Fireball, .20 Vartarg (like .20 Fireball), and .20 Practical (.223 necked down to .20) the best, or something in that range.


Here's some pictures.


17hm2,17hmr,17 hornet, 17 fireball, 17 rem



not really wildcats:





some less known wildcats:





17hmr vs 17wsm vs 17 hornet




L to R: 19 CALHOON, 17 Rem, 19-223 CALHOON, 223 Rem, 22 Hornet





.218 Bee, Left, compared to .223 Remington












 
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"The new 19 BADGER is a result of field testing the 19 Calhoon (Hornet) and 19-223. Our minimizing approach to varminting, as John Anderson of Varmint Hunter Magazine calls it, resulted in this new, finely tuned, varmint cartridge. The 19 BADGER is a compact, powerful cartridge with a mere overall 1.3" length, built on a strong rimless case. The 19 BADGER maintains a powder capacity of 18 grains in a column of less than 1 inch. Even with a 25% increase in powder capacity over the "sweet shooting" little 19 Calhoon (Hornet), the 19 BADGER has the same minimal recoil that is so critical to good varminting, allowing you to see your hit time after time. The 19 BADGER provides a comfortable 300 yard range and velocities of 3725 with a 28gr bullet and 3550 with the 32gr. (The 4200+ ft/sec gurus, those geniuses behind the 17 Remington and .204 Ruger, would have you think otherwise, but attempts to achieve excessive velocities cause nothing but trouble for varminters!) "


19 BADGER (scale 2:1)
 
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